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Artificial intelligence

Are you using AI?

  • Yes a lot, OR including for complex problems and information, or using a paid subscription

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Quite a bit but only for simple lookups

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Lightly, around once or twice a week

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Have used it once or twice

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • What's AI?

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
    14
You're flexing your definition to suit your argument there, I think.

I wouldn't describe the original Shazam as AI, no. It reduced audio data to very short clips and picked out salient frequencies, using the order of the observations to form a signature for sections of every song. Any song fed in looking to be identified would have the same process applied and to some extent regardless of how terrible the input audio was, it would have the same set of salient frequencies, which could be matched as a number counting exercise

Its not really my argument, just something Im suggesting..



I will say that Ai like sat nav, will kill brain cells and the Human race will become Dumber and dumber.
Then the world will go backwards, as we are to thick to invent more advanced technology
 
have been using it a lot to help me programme in python and it can be amazing - it is a long way from perfect and I doubt it could write anything worthwhile just from a few instructions, but I already can do quite a bit of programming and if I oversea the basic structure its ability to help is just amazing - recently wrote some very complex stuff using selenium in python, I could never have done that myself

Its a very odd experience working with Ai, its nearly human, can go off topic and it seems to understand humour
a little whie ago when working with it, it suddenly used my name, this spooked me as I try to keep these things secret. i asked how it knew and it pointed to a script I had copied to it to check (and in that script my name and password were shown!)

so i then jokingly said "so you don't know about me and that blonde in the pub last night" it knew this was humour and started to join in the joke, even the following day it joked about the leggy blonde in the pub - the sort of interaction you would have with a mate - not a computer

be very scared - these things are going to get more and more powerful and take over.
 
I'm trying it to make a stock analysis table in Excel, with fancy bits. Copilot is best for doing bits of vba. I reckon it'll need a big specification for it do do it all for me, but it'll be worth it. It'll probably have to run on a separate laptop to not slow the trading program.

Getting it Mostly Done, will be a big help.

@Munroast Are you using Chatgpt? Free or paid? my wife has taken a subscription to something just to make it do presentations. She may find I'm in her way at her computer.
 
I'm trying it to make a stock analysis table in Excel, with fancy bits. Copilot is best for doing bits of vba. I reckon it'll need a big specification for it do do it all for me, but it'll be worth it. It'll probably have to run on a separate laptop to not slow the trading program.

Getting it Mostly Done, will be a big help.

@Munroast Are you using Chatgpt? Free or paid? my wife has taken a subscription to something just to make it do presentations. She may find I'm in her way at her computer.
free (i'm too old and mean to pay for stuff)

It can be a great help with stuff - just this weekend I was given a couple of smart switches that I thought would be of no use to me as they need a smart phone, tablet or alexa to set up and communicate with the plug (neither me or the wife have any of that crap) - so I asked GBT to help - no problem it wrote me a python script and knew of a workaround so I was able to establish a link from my PC, so I will now be able to operate the plug through a script - should be able to link it to octopus agile and get it to put the immersion on when leccy is below a certain price.
 
Then the world will go backwards, as we are to thick to invent more advanced technology
Perhaps. Or perhaps it will drive the same wedge as we see everywhere else; some of the race will program the AI and they're the smart ones, and the rest of the race (the users) will get further away from those at the top. It's a story as old as time; money, religion, land ownership..
 
Perhaps. Or perhaps it will drive the same wedge as we see everywhere else; some of the race will program the AI and they're the smart ones, and the rest of the race (the users) will get further away from those at the top. It's a story as old as time; money, religion, land ownership..
Then WW4 happens. The satellites all get knocked out along with back up systems. The less savy (the unintelligent) will be the front runners. As we know how to use a map, hold a pen and read a watch ⌚️ with hands. The old art of smoke signals will be communication between villages and towns. The owners of Pigeons will be the wealthy.

Plumbers will be plumbers
 
By the time I return to earth
My time held dreams were full of you as you were
When I left, still underage
Your android replica is playing up again
It's no joke
When she comes she moans another's name
But that's the spirit of the age, that's the

Spirit of the age...

In the year 2222, mankind has devolved to the point of senescence, preferring to send their clones into space aboard sentient craft piloted by smart machines, imbued with the knowledge and personality of people wealthy enough to afford the download costs for transferring dna memory into their cpu.

Musk-bot 9.0 is ready to transmit scientific data from Alpha Centauri at the flick of a fibre optic sensory neuron to the waiting drones back on Terra.

What we think of AI today will be awfully amusing to our descendents.
 
Some of the people on these forums have artificial intelligence!! :giggle:
 
Seen the bunnies? Sorry I couldn't find the video by itself.... it's only a few seconds.

I'm listening to a fairly long interview with Sam Altman - creator of Chat GPT, roughly. Head of Open AI.
he made the observation that

nobody born from here on will ever be smarter than AI.
The less savy (the unintelligent) will be the front runners. As we know how to use a map, hold a pen and read a watch ⌚️ with hands.
That's, maybe, a notion from the insecure.
I think it's misplaced.
You mentioned plumbing.
I can do plumbing - better than many plumbers I've come across. That's not a high bar, which is what caused me to learn a little.
For a fairly bright person there's nothing hard in plumbing. Read the text books, do some jobs and read a couple of hundred Diynot posts and you can solve most of the problems people get. Easy, really, if you don't mind getting dirty. Hey I can do a wiped joint or dress a lead slate from grade 8. I know because I tried it for fun. I know about flow rates and temperature gradients in a low loss header, or how to use Wobbe numbers to resize gas injectors. (never done that, though) . I know what happens if you overheat a solder joint.... and how different fluxes work, in practice and from the chemistry. I can often repair the circuit boards, change fan bearing, work out the stoichiometry for the burners. I don't offhand know the gas leak limit numbers for a pipe under an office, but I could find it (ask ChatGPT5 or maybe 6) and use it. I might ask AI "What else might I have to find out about - what are some unknown unknowns...?" . No great knowledge or skills needed. All I know, would take tiny fragment of an AI system.
Robots aren't very dexterous, yet, but they will become better than humans - much stronger, better memory, they'll know about all the parts they can get, and a hundred snags they might hit, and so on.
They could even be made with bum cracks.

Nobody is suggesting any field where eventually, machines & AI will not be better than humans. 2 times better, then 100 times better, .....
 
You mentioned plumbing.
I can do plumbing - better than many plumbers I've come across.
Thats because there's some shocking pretend plumbers amongst us.

Not say your not good. Just being good is a high bar in comparison with those who earn their living from the trade.
 
That's, maybe, a notion from the insecure.
I think it's misplaced.

You mentioned plumbing.
I can do plumbing - better than many plumbers I've come across. That's not a high bar, which is what caused me to learn a little.
For a fairly bright person there's nothing hard in plumbing. Read the text books, do some jobs and read a couple of hundred Diynot posts and you can solve most of the problems people get. Easy, really, if you don't mind getting dirty. Hey I can do a wiped joint or dress a lead slate from grade 8. I know because I tried it for fun. I know about flow rates and temperature gradients in a low loss header, or how to use Wobbe numbers to resize gas injectors. (never done that, though) . I know what happens if you overheat a solder joint.... and how different fluxes work, in practice and from the chemistry. I can often repair the circuit boards, change fan bearing, work out the stoichiometry for the burners. I don't offhand know the gas leak limit numbers for a pipe under an office, but I could find it (ask ChatGPT5 or maybe 6) and use it. I might ask AI "What else might I have to find out about - what are some unknown unknowns...?" . No great knowledge or skills needed. All I know, would take tiny fragment of an AI system.
Robots aren't very dexterous, yet, but they will become better than humans - much stronger, better memory, they'll know about all the parts they can get, and a hundred snags they might hit, and so on.
They could even be made with bum cracks.

Nobody is suggesting any field where eventually, machines & AI will not be better than humans. 2 times better, then 100 times better, .....
This why there are so many bad plumbers. Only experience will prepare you to deal with plumbing problems on a house that 100 years old with historicly poor plumbing and bad plumbers.

Your on you own. You haven't prepared. You books wont have the answer.
No you tube video or Ai bot could tell you how to go about what's in front of you.

Or give you a product knowledge that will not only fix the problem, and give you confidence in walking away and being able to sleep soundly that night.
 
Thats because there's some shocking pretend plumbers amongst us.
I'm comparing with the ones who turn/turned up at jobs, to quote. I need/ed quite a few for renters & flippers.
I don't know how to phrase it, I won't say "average" but there's a large proportion of people who call themselves plumbers, who aren't competent despite what it says on the van.

Your on you own. You haven't prepared. You books wont have the answer.
No you tube video or Ai bot could tell you how to go about what's in front of you.

Or give you a product knowledge that will not only fix the problem, and give you confidence in walking away and being able to sleep soundly that night.
That's what I expected so I took some measures as mentioned. You haven't prepared to answer - you didn't read!! FAIL!!
Of course those who can only do plumbing, will tell you that you need years of experience because they have to defend themselves. They wildly overstate it. I know enough to know. Of course it's a subject where you never stop learning, but the process is vastly accellerated by better mental processing power. Where AI is concerned, it will have all of your experience, all of mine, plus some humungous number of other plumbers, plus it can work things out for itself better than any. It has the resources of every plumber there's ever been. It will see what's in front of it and deal with it. Frightening , isn't it.

It's really easy to think humans are special, as though "life" means something magic. Or "intuition" - you can go on - to "soul" or "sprituality".

There is to date no evidence whatsoever that these things are the products of a spooky biological mind and can not be that of a human-assembled one.
As a thought experiment, consider that a component of the brain, by itself, is understood. It might be a switch, ir a distribution point, or a physical association of interconnected neurons to make a memory (an engram) which gets tagged with a timer cell.
We can make those, - or, we can make things which behave in exactly the same way. It's not all sussed out, but everything found that's new, is still just a difference in connections. So we can in principle make a whole brain. Spookiness is still there, if you have all the connections right. Is it?

That's an oversimple way of looking at it.
What AI does is work stuff out for itself. We know that the layered idea model it uses, is close to how the brain works, because the outcomes match so well. WHat we don't know all about yet, is what the side effects might be. LIke, if AI was given the rough idea of a motorbike and told to make one, it could get on with it. But it wouldn't sound the same. You can't take a bike apart to find the noise, it's not poart of the spec. So the AI one is gonna sound different. Humans, especially the predictable ones, will inevitably take that as a sign that the AI got it wrong.
 
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That's what I expected so I took some measures as mentioned. You haven't prepared to answer - you didn't read!! FAIL!!
Of course those who can only do plumbing, will tell you that you need years of experience because they have to defend themselves.
This is where the problem lays.......anyone can push a pipe into a fitting. You could tie first self in knots with all these flexible pipe conections all these flexible pan connectors and waste fittings.

Plumbing has been made so easy. Thsts why there is so many bodged jobs around.

London is the worst place to try and get a decent plumber who can sort out all the shìt the push fit plumbers have installed.

I have no doubt what so ever thst you're better than most.
 
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