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Artificial intelligence

Are you using AI?

  • Yes a lot, OR including for complex problems and information, or using a paid subscription

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Quite a bit but only for simple lookups

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Lightly, around once or twice a week

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Have used it once or twice

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • What's AI?

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
    14
Not far from London.
We get a lot of Europeans - famously the Poles, and they've often been to a technical school so aren't bad. Some of the others make your toes curl though.


I used AI for health today. Apparently that's one of the best use-cases.

I had a couple of teeth out, ( pre implant) and wasn't sure about the healing process. Turns out it's complicated. Grok was brilliant.
Didn't stop the bloody pain though.
 
I find it misunderstands queries just as much as any search engine . The results of asking a question don’t vary much from a search engine .
 
I find it misunderstands queries just as much as any search engine . The results of asking a question don’t vary much from a search engine .
Sounds like your search engine automatically gives you an answer from one of the AI Large Lanaguage Models. They started doing that some time ago, but if you remember, all a search engine used to do was give you pages of links to select from. I use DuckDickGo and it does this, where the "search assist" is something like an early AI version's output. Is that what you're seeing?

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I found the AI's do ok if you enter something like
?channel boats

Just tried it. It has changed. Grok guesses it right after a 2 second moan.
 
Sounds like your search engine automatically gives you an answer from one of the AI Large Lanaguage Models. They started doing that some time ago, but if you remember, all a search engine used to do was give you pages of links to select from. I use DuckDickGo and it does this, where the "search assist" is something like an early AI version's output. Is that what you're seeing?

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I found the AI's do ok if you enter something like
?channel boats

Just tried it. It has changed. Grok guesses it right after a 2 second moan.
No , AI reply has to be selected , both misunderstand ambiguous questions , but AI should ask questions to give accurate answers .
 
More so my problem. How getting Ai and Google to understand me.

Its finding the right words or sentence of words to get right answer.
 
Just wanted to point out that "devolve" isn't the opposite of "evolve"

I know some very smart people who dont know what to do with a screwdriver or hold a hammer.
Its about skill as much as using the head.
Well, that's just a different kind of smart isn't it? David Beckham isn't particularly intellectual/academic, but the program his neural network runs can kick a ball better than my old physics lecturer for sure. Very much horses for courses though; only a tiny percentage of the population needs to be able to kick a ball that well, or reason about the origins of the universe that well. We will always need someone who can cut hair; my hairdresser can't kick a ball well, or reason about the origins of the universe but she does far better job of the kids' hair than I do even though I try to make the scissors move in the same way
 
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I find it misunderstands queries just as much as any search engine . The results of asking a question don’t vary much from a search engine .
Then you aren't making a good job of asking the question, I'm afraid. You don't use AI like a search engine ("imagine relevant keywords that might appear in the answer you want, search them, use own brain to browse likely looking hits from the context surrounding the words, read deeper and see if it's what you want")

The AI has already read the Internet. You ask it in a way that it can clearly reason about what you want and assemble a response based on what it has acquired


I found the AI's do ok if you enter something like
?channel boats
This isn't how they're supposed to be used. Imagine you just walked up to one of your well-read mates, haven't seen them in days, they know nothing of your obsession with migrants or whatever, and you just looked them in the face and said:

"Channel boats"
"Huh?"
"Channel boats"
"What are you talking about?"
"Channel boats"
"Add words"

Channel boats is how you'd talk to a search engine. To an AI your query would be more like:

"can you create a summary of small boat crossing numbers over time and cross reference it with changes in UK policy regards illegal migration? I want to know if there have been any reasonable policy changes that have had an noticeable effect, positive or negative, on the numbers attributed to small boat arrivals"

Yes, you have to put more effort in, but it's a very small amount of effort compared to what you will get, when you consider what you'd have to do to produce the same output yourself


More so my problem. How getting Ai and Google to understand me.

Its finding the right words or sentence of words to get right answer.
When pondering how to ask an AI something, ask it like you would a forum question, not a 3 keyword google search for "Ryanair bag size"

Most AI will reveal some of their reasoning about what you're asking so you can check it's understood you. If it didn't, then just as you would with a person, find another way of explaining your query

This is how people talk to Google, not how they talk to people:

You talk to AI like you talk to people

Frightening , isn't it.
Naw, it's amazing. Just imagine if people learned from their mistakes and from the mistakes and experiences of others. How fast would we evolve, generation upon generation

But no, people always have to learn from their own mistakes, and repeat the same failings as all the generations before. Progress is slow

with all these flexible pipe conections all these flexible pan connectors and waste fittings.
But they're good enough; they do the job for long enough. They don't need to be the David beckham/albert Einstein of plumbing fittings, assembled by the David beckham/albert Einstein of plumbers
 
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Just wanted to point out that "devolve" isn't the opposite of "evolve"


Well, that's just a different kind of smart isn't it? David Beckham isn't particularly intellectual/academic, but the program his neural network runs can kick a ball better than my old physics lecturer for sure. Very much horses for courses though; only a tiny percentage of the population needs to be able to kick a ball that well, or reason about the origins of the universe that well. We will always need someone who can cut hair; my hairdresser can't kick a ball well, or reason about the origins of the universe but she does far better job of the kids' hair than I do even though I try to make the scissors move in the same way
Robin you so right.

Things will turn with AI. The better paid jobs will be the plumber and the Electrician. The Hare dresser and the Bin man..

Jane's Obrian was talking about bout this the other day
 
No , AI reply has to be selected , both misunderstand ambiguous questions , but AI should ask questions to give accurate answers .
You're asking a search engine questions?. I would never do that. Just keywords


This isn't how they're supposed to be used. Imagine you just walked up to one of your well-read mates, . . . . .
When did you make the rules on how it's supposed to be used?;)

Putting a ? before keyword works, if used with a little sense.
Saves a load of typing.
It might give you 4 paragraphs, just read the one where it gives what you want.

If you're in spoken mode, as soon as you say "no" it stops, then you can say "give numbers" or whatever. It really doesn't get upset,

Something like "?capital togo"
works perfectly.
 
The better paid jobs will be the plumber and the Electrician. The Hare dresser and the Bin man..
Yes that's what everyone has been saying for a year or two ...
That will be the case for some, for a while. Then they'll get evolved out - or priced out.

Counter intuitively perhaps, you can look at China to see what AI does to (especially youth) unemployment, because they're ahead of the West.

The better paid will be the people who use AI to make money.
I could be a decent plumber, but it wouldn't pay anything like enough.
 
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Yes that's what everyone has been saying for a year or two ...
That will be the case for some, for a while. Then they'll get evolved out - or priced out.

Counter intuitively perhaps, you can look at China to see what AI does to youth unemployment, because they're ahead of the West.

And I suppose history will repeat in that everyone that needs a job will want to be plumbers & hairdressers. The quality and the wages will then plummet again.
 
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