I don't quite understand what you're saying.diydope said:the thread on the nuts has been ruined
Yeah but then the bog`ll block tooItsOverFlo said:Try eating some spinach.
Softus said:Nestor_Kelebay - just curious - have you managed to decipher the posting and understand which thing is damaged and/or seized? If so, which is it?
The post says that this question originated from the How To page entitled "Fitting New Taps" which partially reads:
"Use a basin wrench (crowsfoot spanner) or a tap tool to undo the nut, which connects the supply pipes to the taps. Some water will come from the pipes, so have a cloth ready. Once the supply pipes have been removed use the same tool to loosen the nut that is holding the taps onto the bath/basin - the single taps will have to be stopped from turning during this process. Once the taps have been removed the holes in the bath/basin have to be cleaned of any old sealing compound."
Dictionary:
rosette nut == "the nut that is holding the taps onto the bath/basin"
rosette == the thing that goes on before the rosette nut when installing the taps
Plastic rosette nut == a large plastic nut that replaces both the rosette and the rosette nut.
I think the original poster didn't realize that the instructions: "use the same tool to loosen the nut that is holding the taps onto the bath/basin" is often much easier said than done. Those instructions should have had a warning that this can sometimes be impossible to do.
"For the benefit of the east-of-Atlantic readers, I hope you don't mind me pointing out a couple of English quirks....
faucet == tap
rosette nut == backnut
IMO plastic backnuts are inferior to brass ones, because they're weaker."
Softus:
How much strength do you need to hold a faucet in place. No one's going to be pulling on it. I use the plastic ones in my building, and so far after about 5 or 6 years, have had no problem at all with them.
The problem we have here in North America is that you can buy the brass rosette nuts, but NOT brass rosettes. You can only buy regular steel rosettes, not even stainless steel rosettes. So, if you don't use a plastic rosette nut, your only option is to use a regular steel rosette and tighten it with a brass rosette nut. And, of course, after a few years, the steel rosette rusts out and the faucet becomes loose, and you have to start disconnecting the connections to the hot and cold sides to replace the old rusted steel rosettes with new ones. So, now I put plastic ones in, and if the faucet loosens up, I just tighten them. And they work fine.
"However, monobloc kitchen mixers almost always have a horseshoe shaped backplate and a nut on a stud that screws into the underside of the tap body - backnuts (aka rosettes) generally only appear on bath and basin taps."
That's what I'm thinking this person is trying to remove; a 4 inch bathroom sink faucet or an 8 inch kitchen sink faucet, not a single lever faucet.
"One more thing - brass doesn't rust."
Yeah, I know, but steel does. I wish we could get brass rosettes here, we can't. Over here we can only get ordinary steel rosettes, and I presumed it was the same situation over there.
Softus said:Here's some quoted text
Sounds like the Canadian "rosette" equates to a "top hat washer" in the UK.Nestor_Kelebay said:Dictionary:
rosette nut == "the nut that is holding the taps onto the bath/basin"
rosette == the thing that goes on before the rosette nut when installing the taps
Plastic rosette nut == a large plastic nut that replaces both the rosette and the rosette nut.
Er, this topic is about a kitchen sink, not a bath/basin. The instructions that you're quoting refer to the latter.Nestor_Kelebay said:I think the original poster didn't realize that the instructions: "use the same tool to loosen the nut that is holding the taps onto the bath/basin" is often much easier said than done. Those instructions should have had a warning that this can sometimes be impossible to do.
That's odd - in my experience people do pull on them. Mostly, it's small people, known as children.Nestor_Kelebay said:How much strength do you need to hold a faucet in place. No one's going to be pulling on it.Softus said:IMO plastic backnuts are inferior to brass ones, because they're weaker."
OK.Nestor_Kelebay said:I use the plastic ones in my building, and so far after about 5 or 6 years, have had no problem at all with them.
That's still not an argument for using plastic instead of brass.Nestor_Kelebay said:The problem we have here in North America is that you can buy the brass rosette nuts, but NOT brass rosettes. You can only buy regular steel rosettes, not even stainless steel rosettes. So, if you don't use a plastic rosette nut, your only option is to use a regular steel rosette and tighten it with a brass rosette nut. And, of course, after a few years, the steel rosette rusts out and the faucet becomes loose, and you have to start disconnecting the connections to the hot and cold sides to replace the old rusted steel rosettes with new ones. So, now I put plastic ones in, and if the faucet loosens up, I just tighten them. And they work fine.
You're making an assumption that doesn't hold true in the UK - a monobloc tap can have two handles and no lever.Nestor_Kelebay said:That's what I'm thinking this person is trying to remove; a 4 inch bathroom sink faucet or an 8 inch kitchen sink faucet, not a single lever faucet.Softus said:However, monobloc kitchen mixers almost always have a horseshoe shaped backplate and a nut on a stud that screws into the underside of the tap body - backnuts (aka rosettes) generally only appear on bath and basin taps.
It isn't - see above - but this doesn't apply to kitchen sinks anyway.Nestor_Kelebay said:Yeah, I know, but steel does. I wish we could get brass rosettes here, we can't. Over here we can only get ordinary steel rosettes, and I presumed it was the same situation over there.Softus said:"One more thing - brass doesn't rust.
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