Electric boiler installation and building regulations

[ericmark]

The guidance document is not the law, I have found many times the approved guidance notes are wrong. However, it is really worth arguing about? As to looking up either guidance notes or the law, first you need to know where you live, the principality of Wales did not update at the same time as England, so the rules are different.

I know with mothers house the boiler was in the kitchen, so due to location notification was required. So if we read what it says "installation of a new or replacement heating system or boiler, regardless of fuel type" that means I need to notify them if I get a new kettle!

However, if you upset a LABC inspector he will find something else, I had it with an extractor fan in a bathroom, rules say with an opening window it does not need one, but he insisted, so it had to be fitted, never used, but was fitted, just not worth upsetting them.

 

[denso13]

that means I need to notify them if I get a new kettle!

No, that's silly. Buying a kettle isn't building work and aren't covered by the Building Regulations.

Unless Wales is different.

 

[ericmark]

No, that's silly. Buying a kettle isn't building work and aren't covered by the Building Regulations.

Unless Wales is different.

Exactly, it should have the word fixed, or installed, but the approved guides are not very well written, so to use the 'A' level English I was taught at school to try and work out what they are saying, simply does not work.

The English rented property law requiring inspection and testing is one where it seems person who wrote the guide, never read the law, the EICR the I stands for installation, but the law includes fixed appliances, which means anything screwed or nailed to the building, or over 18 kg and not on wheels. We see argument after argument over the EICR. It is simply not fit for purpose.

The Part P approved document is full of errors, but laws are designed to be modified with case law, so simply reading the law, does not tell one, what courts have ruled, but at the end of the day, I don't want to be involved in making case law, it's expensive, and I just go for the easy way out, if the inspector says jump, I jump.

 

[denso13]

Exactly, it should have the word fixed, or installed, but the approved guides are not very well written, so to use the 'A' level English I was taught at school to try and work out what they are saying, simply does not work.

It's meaning it's is crystal clear regarding what a boiler is, it doesn't include kettles.

 

[ericmark]

It's meaning it's is crystal clear regarding what a boiler is, it doesn't include kettles.

So if it does not boil water, it is not a boiler? It is only a water heater. Are you sure it is crystal clear? What I refer to as a boiler is

is not what we have in a house. The carriages are heated with steam, using a one pipe system, and the steam and water is released into the atmosphere at the last carriage, giving great ambiance.

This is the problem with the English language, we tend to use words incorrectly, which is OK in general speech, but when laws are written, we need a page of definitions, so we all know what a Competent person for example (A person who possesses sufficient technical knowledge, relevant practical skills and experience for the nature of the electrical work undertaken and is able at all times to prevent danger and, where appropriate, injury to him/herself and others.) is, and we are not looking in the Oxford or American dictionary and getting two different meaning for the same word.

 

[denso13]

So if it does not boil water, it is not a boiler? It is only a water heater. Are you sure it is crystal clear? What I refer to as a boiler is View attachment 411658View attachment 411659 is not what we have in a house. The carriages are heated with steam, using a one pipe system, and the steam and water is released into the atmosphere at the last carriage, giving great ambiance.

This is the problem with the English language, we tend to use words incorrectly, which is OK in general speech, but when laws are written, we need a page of definitions, so we all know what a Competent person for example (A person who possesses sufficient technical knowledge, relevant practical skills and experience for the nature of the electrical work undertaken and is able at all times to prevent danger and, where appropriate, injury to him/herself and others.) is, and we are not looking in the Oxford or American dictionary and getting two different meaning for the same word.

Do you really think that, if you buy a kettle, you need to notify LABC?

 

[ericmark]

Do you really think that, if you buy a kettle, you need to notify LABC?

No of course not, that's my point, they can't write English.

 

[denso13]

No of course not, that's my point, they can't write English.

Quite, crystal clear.

 

[polesapart]

No of course not, that's my point, they can't write English.

Can they write Welsh, though?

Building regs in the language of the principality must be a thing of beauty....