NHS starting to stockpile Medicines

I know enough to make an informed decision. As I've said before, I did work in Europe for the European Commission which spurred on my research into whether or not the EU is good for Britain.

So what did your research conclude as the idea we can cut deals with existing nations EU has deals on better terms for us is not based in reality. You want to cite me some reports, economists who would back that opinion.

Also these FTA we will negotiate how long do you think they would take.
 
You can chew on this.

All trade deals include a “most favoured nation” (MFN) clause, which mean that if one partner signs a better trade deal with another country, all previous trade partners are entitled to the same upgrade. Some of the EU’s FTAs were signed many years ago. By rolling over the newer, more comprehensive deals, the UK could trigger MFN clauses in older, narrower ones, prompting governments to demand a parallel upgrade.

A further problem is presented by “rules of origin,” a feature of all trade agreements. These rules establish the proportion of a product that must be produced domestically in order to qualify for free trade. A common threshold is around 40 per cent. Many products include some imported parts—the UK imports $80 billion worth of goods from third countries for use in British production (excluding precious metals and stones).

Where two countries with an FTA supply a lot of components and commodities to one another, they often agree that their components can be added together, or “cumulated,” to meet the threshold. It is likely that the EU and UK will agree to cumulation between themselves. But when third countries are also involved, it becomes more complex. When the UK and EU are no longer one entity, the UK will be unable to cumulate domestic components with those from the EU and meet, say, Canadian rules of origin, without a cumulation agreement with Canada. Many British products would no longer satisfy Canada’s threshold, and so producers would be forced to pay Canadian tariffs on imports.

There are two possible solutions. First, the EU, Canada and the UK could rewrite the Canada-EU FTA to enable “diagonal” cumulation between the three parties. This would need to be negotiated for all of the EU’s agreements, and would require consent from both the EU and the other country. But the EU may not be willing to renegotiate its rules of origin agreements with other countries for British benefit, especially because its own exporters might be able to take market share from British ones in countries outside Europe.

Second, the UK could go it alone, and negotiate lower local content rules. The other countries, if they agree, would then also have a lower threshold, with potential benefits for their exporters. But governments may refuse to relax the rules in those sectors where British exporters are more competitive.
 
Think we're kinda making the same point there!
Not quite.

The NHS is 'wasteful' not by itself, but because of the restrictions imposed on it in order to pursue gradual privatisation...

With the IMF predicting 90% of the world's wealth coming from outside the EU over the next decade or so, we need to tap into that wealth to fund our beloved NHS. Not being allowed to approach countries like the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, China, etc. is holding us back.
'Beloved' is kinda patronising, but...

Any deal with the US (especially with Trump FART's) will include further opening up of the NHS to US corporates on their terms..
And the EU is already doing deals with the rest of the world. And that world has indicated that they are happier to do those deals with a large trading block rather than a single country.
The UK will simply get the crumbs, and thus the last bits of 'family silver' will be sold to stave off the inevitable formal bankrupcy!
 
Not quite.

The NHS is 'wasteful' not by itself, but because of the restrictions imposed on it in order to pursue gradual privatisation...


'Beloved' is kinda patronising, but...

Any deal with the US (especially with Trump FART's) will include further opening up of the NHS to US corporates on their terms..
And the EU is already doing deals with the rest of the world. And that world has indicated that they are happier to do those deals with a large trading block rather than a single country.
The UK will simply get the crumbs, and thus the last bits of 'family silver' will be sold to stave off the inevitable formal bankrupcy!

Correct the idiotic Gov policies of making a healthcare marketplace are wasteful and ideologically driven by idiots. Look at the lies now coming from the implementation of Universal Credit or the Disability assessments.

When it comes to waste - Neo Liberal policies take a beating.
 
Not being allowed to approach countries like the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, China, etc. is holding us back.

Or maybe, not being forced to scrape a pauper's deal with countries like the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, China, etc. is helping us forge ahead.
 
Or maybe, not being forced to scrape a pauper's deal with countries like the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, China, etc. is helping us forge ahead.

Who knows what deal we'll get. I believe there are informal talks in place with the US, Australasia and BRIC countries. Our percentile trade with the EU is on a clear downward trend. We need to be getting out there and negotiating and not as a small voice in the EU.
 

We need to be getting the best terms available.

In your view, an individual desperate supplicant trying to negotiate with Trump or other large markets can do better than can a strong union.

Opinions differ.
 
It should read economic output, not wealth - apologies. I will amend my first post to reflect this.

I think you need to recheck more than that. Economic output is different to GDP.

2017 - China, EU and USA accounted for about half worlds economic output. So the idea the EU will fall that drastically is not based in reality.

Look at this analysis of how the UK has prospered as being in the EU. Analysis done by professors at Oxford.

https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit

History is clear: things have gone very well for Britain as a member of the EU
 
So what did your research conclude as the idea we can cut deals with existing nations EU has deals on better terms for us is not based in reality.

I'm not sure what you're getting at there - it reads like a brain fart.

You want to cite me some reports, economists who would back that opinion.

I can collate and provide all of the sources I used to write my research and papers, of course. Essentially though you're asking me to provide evidence of others who share this view which in itself, is a very easy thing for me to do. In the meantime, why don't you look online at some of the journals published by pro-Brexit economists.

So far in this forum you have quoted several organisations and randomly mentioned a momentary management system, asking me if I know them. To me some of your posts scream immaturity -- mentioning as many acronyms as you can to pretend you know more, but without actually using them in a formed argument.

Compile some clear and concise questions based on your opinion and I will answer them - based on my research - with my own opinion.
 
Who knows what deal we'll get.
Kinkytrot, JohnD & ella know exactly what will happen, they keep telling us. Ask them and they will tell you what you will have for dinner, and if imamoron/iwannabeloved or whatever he goes by now starts putting his oar in, see if you can get any stockpiled paracetamol before they're all gone.
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at there - it reads like a brain fart.



I can collate and provide all of the sources I used to write my research and papers, of course. Essentially though you're asking me to provide evidence of others who share this view which in itself, is a very easy thing for me to do. In the meantime, why don't you look online at some of the journals published by pro-Brexit economists.

So far in this forum you have quoted several organisations and randomly mentioned a momentary management system, asking me if I know them. To me some of your posts scream immaturity -- mentioning as many acronyms as you can to pretend you know more, but without actually using them in a formed argument.

Compile some clear and concise questions based on your opinion and I will answer them - based on my research - with my own opinion.

hahahaha I exposed your BS on the difference between wealth and output and then even after correcting what you thought was your mistake it was still wrong. You are not a trained economist. No one would make such a basic error. You wouldn't know your PPP from GDP.

The issue is about trade agreements and how they will be negotiated because once we leave - no one has explained what will happen. The practicalities.

If operating under WTO is so beneficial why do counties enter into FTA? Also if we we had such a poor deal why negotiate a new deal with the EU? Be done with it and leave immediately?

You have no clue whatsoever - you cannot even answer basic questions about trade and FTA.

What happens at the border if we have a hard brexit? Will lorries still be able to pass through ports without stopping and being inspected?

What happens to supply chains?

Start off with those before we move on.
 
Kinkytrot, JohnD & ella know exactly what will happen, they keep telling us. Ask them and they will tell you what you will have for dinner, and if imamoron/iwannabeloved or whatever he goes by now starts putting his oar in, see if you can get any stockpiled paracetamol before they're all gone.

DUmbo - Why are Jaguar saying their £80bn investment plans are at risk and 40k workers will face an uncertain future if we leave the single market? You can answer that can't you. Or why are other manufacturers staring to chime in as well.

So why don't you tell me will happen when we leave with a hard brexit?

How will trade continue?
 
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