Now it's Musk who's triumphed!

[Deleted member 265726]

Well it sounds more like he has found something he doesn't understand and a room full of people who he has the power to summarily dismiss have told him what he wants to hear. I will wait for a proper report.

I am much more interested in the constitutional implications.

And also whether there is a bigger motivation behind all this.

May be it sounds like that to you, it doesn't look like that to me at this juncture.

I want the American people on both sides of the political aisle and neither, to have transparency as to how their money is collected in taxes and being spent by government.

Governments have to stop operating like mafias other than for top secret purposes like espionage and defence imho.

 

[MNW67]

TJhat is what the refusal to allow Musk's team access is all about. Do you agree with the US court decision, because his team have no security clearance?

I don't know why they just didn't wait a few weeks to get a system set up properly. This lack of transparency has meant that most people are not going to trust the findings of this "audit".

 

[denso13]

And also whether there is a bigger motivation behind all this.

Of course there is, shock and awe baby...

Elon Musk wants to cut government spending. Tesla and SpaceX benefit from it

Over the last 16 years, Musk's business deals with the government total nearly $20 billion, according to federal contracting data.

eu.usatoday.com

 

[MNW67]

May be it sounds like that to you, it doesn't look like that to me at this juncture.

I want the American people on both sides of the political aisle and neither, to have transparency as to how their money is collected in taxes and being spent by government.

Governments have to stop operating like mafias other than for top secret purposes like espionage and defence imho.

Well this is the wrong way to go about that. This isn't a transparent process at all.

 

[denso13]

Governments have to stop operating like mafias

Like DoGE? I agree.

 

[denso13]

I want the American people on both sides of the political aisle and neither, to have transparency as to how their money is collected in taxes and being spent by government.

Elon Musk wants to cut government spending. Tesla and SpaceX benefit from it

Over the last 16 years, Musk's business deals with the government total nearly $20 billion, according to federal contracting data.

eu.usatoday.com

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Well this is the wrong way to go about that. This isn't a transparent process at all.

In what way? As far as I am aware DoGE were/are going to make their findings public.

 

[transam]

As for dishonesty ? Low level fraud ? Etc

Most ?? A lot ?? Of this countries population are or have committed the above at some time or another

They were talking about it on the radio last week

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You don't have a point that is the point.

I understand that you don't see it.

But if all you do is believe what you read on x without further checking, then you've made the point very well.

I can't make you see it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

He's not allowed full access is he and neither are his team.

If he hasn't got full access how can he comment on actual details and not just headlines

 

[Notch7]

I'm not saying anything to fact check.

I'm asking how you prove your comments are accurate and true when taken from x

He doesn’t, if it suits his bias Sunshine has no interest in checking it for truth.

Sunshine is also a troll, he almost certainly posts stuff he knows are untrue but he likes to spread lies.

This forum has become infested with dishonest people, it’s the Trump affect: normalising moral corruption

 

[MNW67]

In what way? As far as I am aware DoGE were/are going to make their findings public.

Because it is not clear who the people doing the work are, what their remit is, whether they have a conflict of interest, whether they have the proper authority, whether they have been properly vetted. If a bit more time had been taken to set it all up in a transparent manner then there would have been a lot more confidence in the findings. I think it's a shame.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

I understand that you don't see it.

But if all you do is believe what you read on x without further checking, then you've made the point very well.

I can't make you see it.

You have a problem with the platform so your argument has been that whatever is posted on the platform regardless of who posts it, is to be discounted. You are welcome to think like that, but I don't share in it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You have a problem with the platform so your argument has been that whatever is posted on the platform regardless of who posts it, is to be discounted. You are welcome to think like that, but I don't share in it.

No problem with it at all.

But it's factually unchecked. Therefore it is not reliable information. So yes I don't gobble it up, I ignore it.

Simply, how do you verify to yourself what you read is true ? Then I can believe it.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Because it is not clear who the people doing the work are, what their remit is, whether they have a conflict of interest, whether they have the proper authority, whether they have been properly vetted. If a bit more time had been taken to set it all up in a transparent manner then there would have been a lot more confidence in the findings. I think it's a shame.

Crumbs. I don't recall the same level of forensic methodology being applied to everyone else who has ever had eyes on the info and that is why I think there is bias in the media right now. I have assumed those going in under DoGE have the security clearance to do so in the first place. I understand about the sensitive users data information being held in the Treasury, it is not right if those people do not have the requisite security clearance.