Please Sign the Government partition

[JohnD]

real poverty has become almost unheard of.

as long as you don't go looking for it.

 

[JohnW2]

I believe that in the early 20th century, things were a little better and, of course, after 1950 we had the welfare state supported by numerous charities and since then real poverty has become almost unheard of. ... I believe that the present surge of crime is as a result of the factors already discussed ....

It may have accelerated a bit recently but, as I said, crime seems to have been increasing (following that brief 'better period' in the earthy 20th century) for more-or-less my entire life (which started a year before 1950 ).

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Is there a causal link there?

 

[JohnD]

I wonder what has happened to crime levels over the last 35 years or so.

table 3
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/june2017

 

[JohnD]

And what about violent crime?

 

[JohnD]

Firearms?

When did Theresa cut police budgets?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

When did people stop bothering to report some crimes?

 

[JohnD]

people who are not insured, or don't want to claim, may see no point in it. Often if you do report, you will be given a crime number so you can claim off your insurance, and never hear any more about it. That's why the British Crime Survey numbers are not the same as police numbers.

More people have insurance now than did fifty or a hundred years ago.

"Not bothering to report" is not new.

 

[Diver Fred]

Whilst it is great to have the petition for vans in my opinion it would be even better to include workshops as well. I have most of my portable (hand) tools locked in 2 tool safes (not tool chests) and most of my electrical tools stored in the house. It would be nice to be able to leave a lot f my workshop tools out in the racks where they had been for many years. Today I find I'm either using a smaller range of tools or buying new ones 'cause I can't be bothered or can't find the tool I want.

 

[JohnW2]

I wonder what has happened to crime levels over the last 35 years or so. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/june2017

As I'm sure you know, there has been an awful lot of discussion and debate (and some criticism) of those statistics'. For a start, the way in which police 'record' crimes (and, indeed, what crimes they record) has changed markedly over the years. As has been discussed, there's also a bit of a vicious circle, in that the more ineffective police are perceived to be in 'solving' crimes, the more people see no point in reporting crimes. There is also a wide range of ways in which people can try to interpret (or misinterpret) the statistics (in terms of causality) ...

And what about violent crime? ...

I seem to recall that the last time that graph (or a very similar one) was wheeled out in this forum (I think it was this forum), it was being used to 'prove' that a reduction in violent crime has resulted from the phasing out of leaded petrol. Assuming that correlation implies a causative relationship is probably just about the most widely seen abuse/misuse of statistics.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

There is also a wide range of ways in which people can try to interpret (or misinterpret) the statistics (in terms of causality)
...
Assuming that correlation implies a causative relationship is probably just about the most widely seen abuse/misuse of statistics.