Reform now the largest party in UK

[jacksonscraft]

We see Reform.supporters on here all excited by Reforms lead in the polls.

Yet none of them have explained how they think a Reform govt would be a benefit.

Why would a bunch of entitled rich public school millionaires give a rats arze about ordinary citizens? Can anybody give me an answer

"Public school millionaires" such as : Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee, Eden, Blair, Wilson, Callaghan Thatcher and so on have run the country before and will do so again - no doubt. Reform voters don't tend to share your hang ups about social status and wealth.

 

[jacksonscraft]

Why do you support Reform?

The obvious and easiest answer to that is : "why not?" Given the state of the country, what do we have to lose by voting for Reform? I for one don't want another 5 years of globalist, high tax, big state, mass uncontrolled immigration politics. And I like what I've seen so far of Reform UK's policies.

 

[Mottie]

Blokes a t*t

A self made big t*t.

 

[Mottie]

The obvious and easiest answer to that is : "why not?" Given the state of the country, what do we have to lose by voting for Reform? I for one don't want another 5 years of globalist, high tax, big state, mass uncontrolled immigration politics. And I like what I've seen so far of Reform UK's policies.

You’re not allowed to just like Reform. Notch's next question is going to be "Name some specific Reform policies that you like and explain why you like them". Well, that’s what I keep getting from him. Apparently, "All of 'em" is not good enough for him.

 

[Notch7]

"Public school millionaires" such as : Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee, Eden, Blair, Wilson, Callaghan Thatcher and so on have run the country before and will do so again - no doubt. Reform voters don't tend to share your hang ups about social status and wealth.

So you believe the Reform party is a party of the establishment exactly the same as the Conservative and Labour parties.



So why do Reform supporters claim that it is a new party, on the side of the people fighting against the establishment……when you have just stated they are not.

 

[aveatry]

So you believe the Reform party is a party of the establishment exactly the same as the Conservative and Labour parties.
So why do Reform supporters claim that it is a new party, on the side of the people fighting against the establishment……when you have just stated they are not.

You voted for them in that case then when you voted for farage in brexit. You supported farage.

 

[Highway Man]

You voted for them in that case then when you voted for farage in brexit. You supported farage.

Exactly....and he will again

 

[transam]

Fact is farage / reform have caused squeaky b Ums in the main stream
Parties

Labour
Tories
Liberals
SNP

Which is not a bad thing imo

Same can be said about Trump

Europe / EU have had to pull there heads out of there back sides and take responsibility for there back yard and get to a situation where they are not reliant on the US ???? And that will be difficult


They will no longer have to brown nose trump and who ever comes after him ??

Time to wake up ?? And pretty damn quick ?

Direct serious Conflict beyond Ukrainian borders is probably a certainty ??

 

[Highway Man]

Direct serious Conflict beyond Ukrainian borders is probably a certainty ??

Absolutely it is, the cards were marked as soon as the EU supplied and supported Ukraine.

 

[transam]

"Public school millionaires" such as : Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee, Eden, Blair, Wilson, Callaghan Thatcher and so on have run the country before and will do so again - no doubt. Reform voters don't tend to share your hang ups about social status and wealth.

Not sure Callaghan was public school ?

 

[Notch7]

I for one don't want another 5 years of globalist, high tax, big state, mass uncontrolled immigration politics

But you’ve just stated Reform are just establishment public school millionaires: Globalists.

Let’s look the detail:

1) globalists

Reforms top donors are: Christopher Harborne £9 million to Reform, lives in Thailand, made his fortune on aviation and cryptocurrency. Jeremy Hosking, a fund manager, making his money from global funds, Michael Evans, wealthy globalist lives in Monaco……etc etc

2) high tax.

Please could you say what taxes you would like cut.

We could cut NHS budget, I hope you getting old.
We cut state pension
We could cut military spending…not a great idea given Trumps policies
We could cut education….not a good idea if you want a decent economy
We could cut the home office, let’s not bother processing asylum seekers eh
We could cut the police….no need for law and order
We could close prisons….no need to put people in jail.

So please state which taxes you would like cut

3) big state.

Please provide examples of this big state you want cut.

We cut food standards agency…not so good if want safe food
We could cut HMRC….no so good if you want taxes collected
We could rejoin EU as Brexit red tape has meant bigger state

4) mass immigration policies

Those have already been stopped, net migration has gone down from over 1 million to 200,000

And rules on immigration are getting tougher.



As for people coming from France in small boats, Reform have no solutions that aren’t being done now.

Reform say they would negotiate returns agreements: that’s being done now
Reform say they would speed up rate of processing: that’s being done now
Reform say they would get rid of Tory asylum hotels: that’s being done now
Reform say they would leave ECHR, well currently U.K. is trying to get it re written - a better solution than leaving.

 

[Notch7]

You’re not allowed to just like Reform. Notch's next question is going to be "Name some specific Reform policies that you like and explain why you like them". Well, that’s what I keep getting from him. Apparently, "All of 'em" is not good enough for him.

Why do you keep refusing to name the key policies you like?

It is normal for a supporter of a political party to be supportive of their key policies.


So either they have no policies or you haven’t got a clue what they are.
Which one is it

 

[SPLINE]

Reform gov' seems unavoidable now. I've problem with them having a shot at governing. Given the state of the economy and levels of illegal migration what do we have to lose?

The last we want are people who have experience working in government. Just look what they have done.

 

[Mottie]

Reforms top donors are: Christopher Harborne £9 million to Reform,

Gosh. That’s nearly as much as Eton educated Lord David Sainsbury's £10.255m and nothing like what comes from the unions, you know, those organisations that have all had record pay rises for their contributors under Labour.

 

[Mottie]

Why do you keep refusing to name the key policies you like?

It is normal for a supporter of a political party to be supportive of their key policies.


So either they have no policies or you haven’t got a clue what they are.
Which one is it

I like all of 'em. Tell me what ones you don’t like and why.