Exactly. As I said, one cannot really expect the likes of Lidl to have competence to judge the safety (or even 'worth') of everything they sell. If one wanted to prevent these things being sold, one would have to 'ban' them and then police that ban rigorously so as to cut off importation and the supply to retailers.Wholesalers stock them so it's not really fair to pick on people who don't know any better!!
I was very surprised to see that the 13A sockets had shutters with chamfers/flutes on them that enabled them to be pushed aside by pushing an object into the L or N aperture without requiring a Earth pin to be inserted!
I was very surprised to see that the 13A sockets had shutters with chamfers/flutes on them that enabled them to be pushed aside by pushing an object into the L or N aperture without requiring a Earth pin to be inserted!
MK ones are like this BUT you need 2 such objects as L & N have to be operated together to get them to open. It is actually very difficult without 2 13A pin size objects.
Indeed. Whenever we get involved in debates with the 'anti' campaigners, I usually get in trouble for pointing out that they are presenting a very one-sided, hence biased, picture. It is clearly a balance between 'doing good' and 'doing harm' - and I'm sure there are cases of both. They are very quick to present anecdotes and videos of infants/children who have 'nearly come to grief' as a result of these products (despite challenges, they have yet to be able to tell me of any proven cases of children/infants who have actually come to harm), they do, of course, never mention those cases in which infants/children have "nearly (or actually) come to harm" as a result of an exposed socket, in which case the product might well have prevented the near (or actual) disaster.people slag them off, but im sure they could of prevented some of the incidents involving poorly discarded cut off moulded plugs
A reasonable view, although I rather doubt that BS1363 covers such (non-electrical) items, so it would probably be impossible for them to be (or be marked as) BS1363-compliant.Clearly they could do the same with any plug, but plugs don't flex in the same way. The problem is without BS 1363 being complied with these items can be under or over size and as a result damage sockets or part fall out. I take the attitude unless marked BS 1363 they should not be fitted in sockets.
As I wrote 3 or 4 posts back, not that we've seen. As I said, the 'anti' campaigners present anecdotes and videos of children who have 'nearly come to grief' as a result of these products, but despite questions from me, they have yet to be able to tell me of even a single proven case of a child who actually has come to harm as a result of use of these products. Needless to say, they don't say anything about those hurt by sockets when 'protectors' were not being used and, to be fair, even if we knew such a figure (which I presume no-one does) we still wouldn't know in how many, if any, of those cases the harm might have been prevented by use of a 'protector'.Are there any figures on the number of children hurt through playing with these compared to the number that have been hurt without them being involved?
As I said, we are told of anecdotes of them having 'nearly' done harm, but I'm sure that a good few people have also seen children trying to poke things into 'unprotected' sockets, in which case the notion of 'covering up the socket' is then intuitively attractive. IMO, all of this falls well short of reasonable 'justification' - in one direction or the other.And is there any known justification for the pro's (apart from parting the ignorant punter from her money)?
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