Thames Water nearing the cliff edge.

[Notch7]

Should we doing a trade deal with a country that actively supports pootins invasion and appears to supply mercenaries

probably not

 

[blup]

I think you need to read it again.

It seems pretty clear JD has endeavoured to keep within the 140 word per article) limit even if he’s a few characters over; to cut off a quote in mid sentence would just be daft. He cites the source. He’s not money from it, or denying their revenue stream. I doubt they are concerned.

 

[motorbiking]

It seems pretty clear JD has endeavoured to keep within the 140 word per article) limit even if he’s a few characters over;

There is no 140 word per article allowance, in either the agreement or Law.

to cut off a quote in mid sentence would just be daft. He cites the source. He’s not money from it, or denying their revenue stream. I doubt they are concerned.

This is not the issue, the issue is without a link to the source, they are denied all benefits.

 

[mikehammer69]

Someone will need to provide the water so the story will continue regardless

 

[morqthana]

Are we any nearer this mythical cliff edge yet?

Yes.

In the same way that Wile E Coyote was near the edge

 

[mikehammer69]

There must be a middle ground between public ownership and private

Someone more intelligent than me probably knows

 

[Notch7]

There must be a middle ground between public ownership and private

Someone more intelligent than me probably knows

EDF in France is an alternative model

It’s a fully private company but the French govt own all the shares.

 

[motorbiking]

For me, if there is no ability for the consumer to benefit from competition in the market (e.g. gas and electric), there is no benefit of privatisation. The better model is outsourcing, to benefit from private expertise.

But again it makes limited sense in the water industry.

 

[morqthana]

In what industr(y/ies) does it make sense?

Got any examples of success stories?

 

[ellal]

For me, if there is no ability for the consumer to benefit from competition in the market (e.g. gas and electric), there is no benefit of privatisation. The better model is outsourcing, to benefit from private expertise.

But again it makes limited sense in the water industry.

By this do you mean that you believe privatisation only has benefits in a competitive market?

Because outsourcing often prevents competition since the 'expertise' has albeit disappeared from public bodies...

Thus those public bodies find themselves with no choice to bring in the private sector and are advised by higher paid 'consultants' who now swallow up far more money than in-house experts used to cost.

 

[morqthana]

EDF in France is an alternative model

It’s a fully private company but the French govt own all the shares.

And they own some of our electricity infrastructure too.

 

[ellal]

And they own some of our electricity infrastructure too.

And effectively subsidise their own energy supply

 

[blup]

There is no 140 word per article allowance, in either the agreement or Law.

140 words with no spaces is the same as 140 words with characters.

This is not the issue, the issue is without a link to the source, they are denied all benefits.

The source is acknowledged

 

[motorbiking]

By this do you mean that you believe privatisation only has benefits in a competitive market?

No

Because outsourcing often prevents competition since the 'expertise' has albeit disappeared from public bodies...

Thats on the group outsourcing to manage their IP.

Thus those public bodies find themselves with no choice to bring in the private sector and are advised by higher paid 'consultants' who now swallow up far more money than in-house experts used to cost.

There are lots of skills that a well run public body has no use of on a day to day basis, but needs expertise in as and when. While its true that knowing the "business" is important, it can also be important to know others business more.

Of course if you let the Quentin or Tamara with a 2:1 in business management from a polyversity, working their first job for Crapgemini or Dolittle, cut and paste your strategy based on the last project they did then you will spend lots and deliver nothing. It's why the public sector is rarely good at delivering anything IT based for example.

 

[motorbiking]

140 words with no spaces is the same as 140 words with characters.

the restriction is 30 words - the abstract
140 characters - the teaser
There is no 140 word allowance.

we are on the same page when it comes to defining a word or a character?

The source is acknowledged

They are denied the benefits of the link, which is why they want it. There are over 200 violations on this forum, they'd want some money if they knew.