The two Bobs

[MNW67]

Couldn’t see anything about a protected group, everyone is surely entitled to proper protection of the law.

It comes from s17 of the Public Order Act:

17 Meaning of “racial hatred”.​

In this Part “racial hatred” means hatred against a group of persons F1. . . defined by reference to colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

 

[blup]

It comes from s17 of the Public Order Act:

Ok, so it turns on mbk’s suggestion that the words are proxies for wider group based hatred. I think it’s inevitable they will be charged.

 

[MNW67]

Ok, so it turns on mbk’s suggestion that the words are proxies for wider group based hatred.

Yes, I think that must be the argument.

 

[motorbiking]

Not a clue but it’s inevitable they will be prosecuted because according to mbk’s link it’s not just about intention, it’s whether it’s likely the words would stir up hatred.

What link? The law your mean ?

 

[motorbiking]

Yes, I think that must be the argument.

Tbh I’m not buying that asylum seekers meet the requirements of Race or religion etc etc. but the courts disagree.

 

[MNW67]

What link? The law your mean ?

The link to the Public Order Act, I think.

 

[IT Minion]

Ok, so it turns on mbk’s suggestion that the words are proxies for wider group based hatred. I think it’s inevitable they will be charged.

Which is a huge stretch and has huge implications.

Should survivors of Bloody Sunday be prosecuted for hate crimes if they say nasty things about the Paras? After all it's clearly be a proxy term for English people.

Should people be charged with hate crime for saying that members of the Bosnian army that carried out the Srebrenica massacre are subhuman monsters?

Is critiquing the IRGC now a sign of islamophobia?

 

[blup]

Which is a huge stretch and has huge implications.

Should survivors of Bloody Sunday be prosecuted for hate crimes if they say nasty things about the Paras? After all it's clearly be a proxy term for English people.

Should people be charged with hate crime for saying that members of the Bosnian army that carried out the Srebrenica massacre are subhuman monsters?

Is critiquing the IRGC now a sign of islamophobia?

I don’t know, there are always implications but there is also the public interest.

 

[IT Minion]

I don’t know, there are always implications but there is also the public interest.

In defending a foreign military that we're embargoing weapons sales to because of their involvement in war crimes and Genocide?

Yeah, you could say that.

 

[Munroast]

Never heard of a non violent military machine,. Be a bit pointless having one if that were the case.

salvation Army - Onward Christian Soldiers .....

 

[Deluks]

The idea that criticism of the IDF applies to all Jewish Israelis, or is anti-semitic is a pretty weak argument. Quite a few commentators have jumped the gun on this.

 

[fillyboy]

The idea that criticism of the IDF applies to all Jewish Israelis, or is anti-semitic is a pretty weak argument. Quite a few commentators have jumped the gun on this.

It applies to most Jewish Israelis because of conscription, applies to quite a few Arab Israelis as well. For the Arabs I don't believe conscription is compulsory, but certainly there are plenty of people of Palestinian descent fighting for the IDF.

 

[Deluks]

It applies to most Jewish Israelis because of conscription, applies to quite a few Arab Israelis as well. For the Arabs I don't believe conscription is compulsory, but certainly there are plenty of people of Palestinian descent fighting for the IDF.

That's irrelevant. How they became members of the IDF is here nor there. And not every Israeli is a current serving member of the IDF.

There's no reason for a British citizen to have any kind of loyalty to a foreign military, and if a war is going on somewhere in the world, you can champion whatever side you like without having broken any laws.

 

[blup]

What link? The law your mean ?

Your link to the legislation, I suppose it has to be applied to the specific facts of each case

 

[MNW67]

The idea that criticism of the IDF applies to all Jewish Israelis, or is anti-semitic is a pretty weak argument. Quite a few commentators have jumped the gun on this.

I think the main aspect that has shocked people is the use of the word "death". If instead they had chanted "Fck the IDF", for example, I don't think that would have caused the same uproar. It is all very tricky. I can see a strong argument that it is simply a snappy, rhyming slogan, which isn't supposed to be taken literally. And that it actually means dismantle the IDF, rather than kill its soldiers, let alone kill Israelis or Jews in general. Supporters of Trump are always telling us not to take slogans literally.