Trumps attack on Iran - 2026 edition

How will the upcoming attack on Iran go.

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Highway Man said:
Carpet bombing can be a war crime under the Geneva convention, Russia has done it in Ukraine and devasted areas inc, hospitals, etc. If carpet bombing was done in Iran it would destroy the place and level it to a car park. Guided missiles are the way forward.
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Trumpf didn’t have the common sense or courtesy give us notice of the attack but announced he’s using raf akatari before we’ve got a chance to put sir defences in.
 
King Billy said:
I had to read that three times, to be sure I followed it. ;)
I thought about adding some additional tautological conditions, but I'd just end up confusing myself.
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OK.

2 mates, Bill & Ben go into a pub.

Bill punches Fred.

That doesn't make it OK for Ben to pre-emptively punch Fred because he fears that Fred might punch him as he's Bill's mate.
 
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morqthana said:
OK.

2 mates, Bill & Ben go into a pub.

Bill punches Fred.

That doesn't make it OK for Ben to pre-emptively punch Fred because he fears that Fred might punch him as he's Bill's mate.
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That seems a pretty good way of looking at how Rubio claims Israel bounced Trump into war.

Rubio is talking nonsense of course. Israel bombed Iran for almost two weeks in the summer without Iran retaliating against the USA.
 
Koolpc said:
Exactly. Before the mad mullahs took over!
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I assume you're channelling your inner Transam there.

The Islamic Revolution and the establishment of an Islamic State was hugely popular in Iran at the time, and it did not come about because the Shah was running a nice, moderate, democratic regime.
 

Reading Night of Power after the 2023 Hamas attack on Israeli civilians, and the ferocious Israeli response in Gaza and Lebanon, along with the sudden collapse of the Assad regime in Syria is both frustrating and heart-breaking. I was struck by the sheer repetitiveness of Fisk’s reporting, particularly in regards to Gaza and Lebanon, and by its biting critique of most Western media coverage of the Middle East. The two are closely related.

Sort through the justifications offered by Israel when it attacked the small, narrow and sealed Gaza strip in 2009, 2012, 2014, 2022 and after the Hamas attack in 2023, and what emerges is as depressingly similar as the unconditional military, economic, and diplomatic cover Israel receives from the United States. Time after time it’s the unvarying story of disproportionate force and deliberate targeting of civilians and the infrastructure upon which they depend to survive; utter contempt for the UN and international law, and disregard for innocent people with no safe haven to flee to.

And the language — laced with hypocrisy and doublespeak — is the same. Every aggression by Israel is justified as a defensive measure. When civilians are killed it’s their fault because they live in close proximity to Hamas fighters, because they’re terrorist collaborators or human shields. When Israel bombs hospitals, schools, and UN facilities it’s because they harbor terrorists or weapons. Proof is not necessary, Israel’s claims are accepted at face value. Civilian deaths are dismissed with standard denials and blame is invariably shifted to others: Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran. When the UN or the International Criminal Court accuses Israel of war crimes or violations of the Geneva Conventions, Israel slams its accusers with allegations of anti-Semitism. Writing about this time-worn pattern, repeated because it works to silence condemnation, Fisk noted: “If Israel is accused of war crimes, it is the accusers who must be punished — not the criminals.”

“In the Western context,” he goes on to observe, “power and the media is about words — and the use of words. It is about semantics. It is about the employment of phrases and clauses and their origins. And it is about the misuse of history; and about our ignorance of history. More and more today, we journalists have become prisoners of the language of power.”

Justice and accountability are rare in the Middle East. Fisk was driven by an almost manic determination to remind his readers of the victims, to name them and document where they lived and how they died, by whose hand or deadly ordnance. Perpetrators of atrocities and torture don’t care about their victims. Who but journalists can give the dead the minimal dignity of being identified? Decades of reporting from war zones exacted a toll on Fisk, as he recounts in the Preface. Despairing that none of the risks he took or the work he produced had made a difference, he wondered if he should have stayed so long in the Middle East:

“I had witnessed such bloodbaths and massacres, seen so many mass graves, described so many tortures and executions, written so many times of the West’s oppression of the Muslim world. Had it really been wise — or sane — to have spent so long here?”

Fisk likened watching history at close range to reading a great, tragic novel, the drama and violence of which is so powerful that it cannot be set aside. Night of Power is painful to read but hard to put down. By the end one wishes, as Fisk did, that Western powers and their armies and resource extractors and devious diplomats would leave the Middle East alone.
 
Koolpc said:
See, yet another post by you showing your hatred of the UK. Of your pure unpatriotic stance. You are NOT British. Admit it.
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So in your eyes the only way to show love of the UK, and be a patriot, is to be a liar.

OK.
 
aveatry said:
He is clearly a Muslim and most likely living in Pakistan, look at the times of his posts.
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aveatry said:
You have all the language of a hate filled muslim. I listen to an Asian phone in radio station and they all sound the same as you. Each and every one at some point will say. Oppressor, illegal war, Israel, tyrant, root cause, aggressor, western,

And with statements like this you are inviting terrorists attacks on the UK population, you need to wind your UK hating neck in
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I wonder if there is a limit to how increasingly irrational your posts will become as you find yourself increasingly unable to make rational ones.
 
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MI5 warned last year that Iran had been behind 20 potentially lethal plots on UK soil in the previous 12 months

The Israeli embassy in London is believed to have been a target for an Iranian terrorist attack
 
No evidence of the Iranian people uprising and taking over for the better so far. I am seeing as I suggested that this war will escalate into a terrible war and all things aligning to spark off WW3. Iran has said that they intend to bring the war to Europe. hmmm maybe not such a great idea for the USA to have attacked Iran. We are being dragged into this like it or not.
 
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