Trumps attack on Iran - 2026 edition

How will the upcoming attack on Iran go.

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Vinty said:
These clowns support Netanyahu and Trump, two evil feckers who are causing damage to the world economy and the UK in particular.
Trump has regularly mocked the UKs armed forces, yet these people queue up to lick his bollix and undermine their own country
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Europe is a big competitor to USA so when the USA made the Ukraine war happen which ****ed up Europe's energy supply I was suspicious. Europe has been working to switch to LNG from Qatar. So now I'm double suspicious this is a war on Europe. And what a joke the Drumpf moans that Europe isn't willing to help him going to war against their own interests.
 
blup said:
Surely the Isreali defences were overcome by the number variety and speed of the missiles/drones etc rather than a n abundance of satellites
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You can't turn off the GPS Iran is using for targeting if the Iranians are getting it via russian/chinese satellites
 
The Iranian drones are latest gen designs refined in the Ukrainian war. They don't need remote operation and they use three different GPS networks and inertial navigation systems to navigate to their target.

Some of the newest apparently also use mobile networks for last minute targeting. Jamming Vs protection systems is always in flux but they aren't easy to jam and there is no sign that the US or Israel have been paying enough attention to the Ukrainian experience.

Case in point the US still isn't using hardened shelters for their aircraft and are losing them on the tarmack due to that stupid decision.
 
IT Minion said:
The Iranian drones are latest gen designs refined in the Ukrainian war. They don't need remote operation and they use three different GPS networks and inertial navigation systems to navigate to their target.

Some of the newest apparently also use mobile networks for last minute targeting. Jamming Vs protection systems is always in flux but they aren't easy to jam and there is no sign that the US or Israel have been paying enough attention to the Ukrainian experience.

Case in point the US still isn't using hardened shelters for their aircraft and are losing them on the tarmack due to that stupid decision.
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cant drones fly into shelters? seems like drone have changed everything. Your tanks and ships are worthless now. Your troops will be easy targets in groups. Only high altitude bombing is functioning as it used to. Otherwise its all changed. If usa send troops in old style it will be a bloodbath as is being predicted by every expert other than the ones advising trump
 
So Ukrane benefits because fewer Irannian drones are being supplied to Russsia.
 
ATTQ said:
cant drones fly into shelters? seems like drone have changed everything. Your tanks and ships are worthless now. Your troops will be easy targets in groups. Only high altitude bombing is functioning as it used to. Otherwise its all changed. If usa send troops in old style it will be a bloodbath as is being predicted by every expert other than the ones advising trump
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Not easily, long range 'theatre' drones are built on lifting body designs, planes essentially. Those can't manuver that much so they can't sneak in. Hardened shelters stop Shaed style drones and missiles easily at comparatively low costs.

Modern tactical drones are often quad copter style and with fibre-optic wires are good for around 30km. Those can wriggle through pipes like a distopian buzzing xenomorph horror film. And yes, against an enemy with plentiful tactical drones infantry operations are a slaughterhouse. Ukraine managed a spectacular operation sneaking a truck load close to a Russian air base but even that would have been fooled by cunning use of doors and a roof.

Traditional military kit isn't all obsolete yet, but drones are the modern version of the machine gun. It makes defence much easier, assuming you have ammo.
 
Vinty said:
You can't win a war with airpower alone.
They flatter to deceive.
At some point they have to send in troops to take territory and hold it.
That's when they will take casualties, if the Chinese and Russians get involved more than they already are, then it could turn into a war of attrition, the Chinese industrial economy is now bigger than America and could supply Iran with unlimited numbers of missiles and Drones.
The Chinese also have twice as many satellites as America, that is why the Iranian missiles couldn't be jammed and were able to penetrate the so called Iron Dome and hit Israeli and American bases.
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Is it really as simple as that. China wins. China will be walking a bit of a tightrope, I think taking over the middle east might just have some adverse impact on their own global trade and by default their economy.
China bringing Iran to a victory could also bring about the fall of Saudi and other gulf states. Would that really be good news for China?
 
ATTQ said:
Europe is a big competitor to USA so when the USA made the Ukraine war happen which ****ed up Europe's energy supply I was suspicious. Europe has been working to switch to LNG from Qatar. So now I'm double suspicious this is a war on Europe. And what a joke the Drumpf moans that Europe isn't willing to help him going to war against their own interests.
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Wow, history re-written.
 
IT Minion said:
Not easily, long range 'theatre' drones are built on lifting body designs, planes essentially. Those can't manuver that much so they can't sneak in. Hardened shelters stop Shaed style drones and missiles easily at comparatively low costs.

Modern tactical drones are often quad copter style and with fibre-optic wires are good for around 30km. Those can wriggle through pipes like a distopian buzzing xenomorph horror film. And yes, against an enemy with plentiful tactical drones infantry operations are a slaughterhouse. Ukraine managed a spectacular operation sneaking a truck load close to a Russian air base but even that would have been fooled by cunning use of doors and a roof.

Traditional military kit isn't all obsolete yet, but drones are the modern version of the machine gun. It makes defence much easier, assuming you have ammo.
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Does anyone actually listen to this fruitcake?
 
IT Minion said:
Aren't you the Muppet who couldn't even recognise the rifle you claim to have used in the Army? Jog on back to Specsavers.
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Arnt you the muppet who thought we still used SLR and then when I had to show you a google image of one {as I dont have a real one to show you} then suddenly become some expert. What is it in 20 mins from now, a tank commander or a nuclear scientist? You are. laughable mate.
 
IT Minion said:
Aren't you the Muppet who couldn't even recognise the rifle you claim to have used in the Army? Jog on back to Specsavers.
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Didnt you tell everryone that you were a vet? then I blew you out of the water with that one when you said that it was your father that was in the navy once your cover was blown, jog on mate.
 
ATTQ said:
cant drones fly into shelters? seems like drone have changed everything. Your tanks and ships are worthless now. Your troops will be easy targets in groups. Only high altitude bombing is functioning as it used to. Otherwise its all changed. If usa send troops in old style it will be a bloodbath as is being predicted by every expert other than the ones advising trump
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Interesting phraseology.
 
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