two gang light switch problem

Thanks for that. I will have to look in the morning as it's too dark to see properly now. I will keep you all posted.
Do I take it that all the other lights in the house are working normally? If so, I suspect that something must have gone wrong with the connection at the other end (wherever that may be) of that black wire which is meant to be the neutral.

Kind Regards, John
 
Firstly, you need a proper 2-pole tester. You can't rely on any indications from that magic wand.

Secondly, and far more important (possibly life-and-death important):
OK - so, in that case, you just need to connect a wire (with green/yellow insulation or sleeving) from that earth terminal in the box (together with the wire already connected to it) to the earth terminal on the switch.
You mustn't "just" do that.

You must verify proper continuity of the earth connection all the way back to the supply earth - your life really could depend on it.
 
You mustn't "just" do that. You must verify proper continuity of the earth connection all the way back to the supply earth - your life really could depend on it.
Yes, that it what one should do and, as you say, failure to do so does present a potential risk. How many people, particularly DIYers, would actually check earth continuity before connecting something to it is, of course, a very different matter.

Kind Regards, John
 
Yes John, you presume correctly, little you included !

I bet the bulbs gone :roll:
 
Yes John, you presume correctly, little you included !
That's good to hear - I might get sad if I thought I'd been left out :-)
I bet the bulbs gone :roll:
I think most of us have suggested/asked that, but ...
I have tested the bulb in another fitting and it works fine.
I think the evidence is increasingly accumulating that, for whatever reason, a neutral is not getting to the bulb/lamp.

Kind Regards, John
 
Hi John,
Here I am again.
This morning I have put the black cable into L1 and have fitted an earth cable.
When the switch is in the on position, according to my tester, I have power right to the bulb but, still no light. I think I am about to give up and wait until I can find a decent sparks. They are like hens teeth down here.
 
Hi John, Here I am again. This morning I have put the black cable into L1 and have fitted an earth cable.
Good.
When the switch is in the on position, according to my tester, I have power right to the bulb but, still no light. I think I am about to give up and wait until I can find a decent sparks. They are like hens teeth down here.
OK. Do I take it that your tester does not show power to the bulb when the switch is off, and that it shows power to both sides of the bub when the switch is on?

If so, although BAS is right in saying that these testers are unreliable, that almost certainly means that everyone has been right in suspecting that, for whatever reason, the wire going to the bulb which is meant to be a neutral is not actually connected to neutral (as I said, probably due to a problem at the other end of the cable {wherever that is}, or conceivably damage along the length of the cable). I presume that you have checked that all the connections around the light are OK (e.g. no terminals with screws into insulation?) If so, I think you're right that you are going to need an electrician to get this sorted out.

Kind Regards, John
 
Yes John,
Both the black wires in the rose are live when the switch is on.
So, I have assumed that power is going through the bulb socket.
That's what confuses me. As I said, I have tested the bulb and that is okay.what also confuses me ( and that isn't difficult ) is that I have always thought that the reds were live and black neutral which is not always the case it seems.
 
Yes John, Both the black wires in the rose are live when the switch is on. So, I have assumed that power is going through the bulb socket.
Yes, the 'live' (one of the blacks) is getting to one side of the bulb, as intended. However, it seems that the other side of the bulb (the other black) is not connected to neutral, so there is no path for current to flow, and hence make the bulb light. In that situation, when you test on the side of the bulb which should be connected to neutral, you still see voltage, because it's getting to your tester through the bulb. If all were working normally, the fact that the other side of the bulb was connected to neutral would mean that you wouldn't see any voltage there (even with a proper meter/tester).
That's what confuses me. As I said, I have tested the bulb and that is okay.what also confuses me ( and that isn't difficult ) is that I have always thought that the reds were live and black neutral which is not always the case it seems.
Yes, in 'old colours', normally red is 'live' and black neutral (with 'new colours, that would be brown and blue respectively). However, if one wants a cable to carry two live (or potentially live) conductors (e.g. with the cable to a switch - one conductor always live and the other, "switched live", live when the switch is on) it is common to use the black one for the 'switched live'. However, when that is done, one should put a bit of red sleeving over the black at both ends, to indicate that it is being used as a 'live', hence avoiding the confusion (and hence potential danger) you are experiencing.

Kind Regards, John
 
what also confuses me ( and that isn't difficult ) is that I have always thought that the reds were live and black neutral which is not always the case it seems.
You really shouldn't be doing work on your electrics until you understand how they work.

 
The only reason I am trying to do this myself is that I have been let down by two sparks who think it is not worth a visit.
Thank you for the links though.
 
Hi,

A few quick questions -

If your lighting is wired in the 'loop in' system your neutral connection may have come adrift at another ceiling rose. As you appear to have one neutral in the problem light we can assume it is the end of the line. And as no other light is effected.

If your lighting is wired using the older central junction box system you need locate that.

Regards,

DS
 

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