Victorian door lock replacement

[GinaH]

Hi,

I have an old Victorian front door which I have just refurbished but the lock has broken.

It was a Union 2188 69mm which is now discontinued.

https://www.uniononline.co.uk/en/si...3-lever/2188---3-lever-double-throw-deadlock/

Does anyone have an idea what I could replace this with? I can't seem find anything of a similar size.

Thanks

 

[JohnD]

it was also a 3-lever which is unsuitable for an entrance door.

I will have a look

it's a 3-inch

Can you photograph your door, the edge and the keyholes so I can see the lock through them. A door of that age may have had an earlier lock fitted so the may be a bit of extra space.

 

[JohnD]

this one?

 

[JohnD]

The Union British Standard 2100 is a much better lock and fairly close in size

The keyhole is a quarter-inch further from the edge of the door, but could be filed to fit (if not already a loose fit)

The front plate and the staple (keep) in the frame is bigger and will need to be let in with a chisel, but your old lock was very inferior in this respect so any modern lock will need that.

 

[JohnD]

seems to be the same as the 2105S
retailing at around £20 inc VAT
https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk...-deadlock-68mm-case-45mm-backset-brass-620322

If you need a bigger escutcheon to hide the keyhole, that can be arranged.

 

[GinaH]

it was also a 3-lever which is unsuitable for an entrance door.

I will have a look

it's a 3-inch

Can you photograph your door, the edge and the keyholes so I can see the lock through them. A door of that age may have had an earlier lock fitted so the may be a bit of extra space.

Thanks. The lock is out or the door. Took ages as it was stuck in and no key to unlock it.

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• GinaH
• 26 Jul 2020

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• GinaH
• 26 Jul 2020

this one?

Thanks, yes that is the exact dimensions of the current lock. I measured where the keyhole is etc and it's a match.

 

[JohnD]

The old keyhole in the door looks pretty big so it may accomodate the 1/4" difference.

There is an old Chubb design, now sold under the Union name, that may be closer, but it is more than twice the price.

A 5-lever lock is usually thicker in the case than a 3-lever, but it looks to me like your mortice is already wide enough.

You will find the BS Union in DIY sheds and Screwfix, it is better than most mortice locks you will find. It has a 20mm bolt throw to meet the latest security standards. Ensure the lock you buy meets British Standard BS3621

At Screwfix the brass finish is a pound dearer than the stainless finish.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/union-5-...mortice-deadlock-68mm-case-45mm-backset/5055d

 

[JohnD]

Thanks, yes that is the exact dimensions of the current lock. I measured where the keyhole is etc and it's a match.

sorry, that first one was the dimensions of your old lock, which is now discontinued. I put it up to check I was looking at the right one.

The red-cased modern Union is a close, but not identical, match, and much better.

If/when you have the new lock fitted, photograph the inside and outside holes in the door so I can see the keyhole, and I bet I can find you an escutcheon that wil cover it neatly and look good. The ones supplied with the new lock may not be enough.

 

[GinaH]

Thanks so much for your help, massively appreciated.

I have ordered the brass finish from Screwfix and will collect tomorrow.