why dont we call her Fellicity the flow pipe from the heat exchanger family 
What is this pipes name ?
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Bobby. It's a copper tube.
You must mean a gas fitter.
That's not what the Gas Safety Regulations say, as you're probably well aware.
He has to be competent, that's the only requirement.
You must mean a gas fitter.
That's not what the Gas Safety Regulations say, as you're probably well aware.
He has to be competent, that's the only requirement.
I'm appalled by the number of apparent engineers who freely give advice to people who have not proven their competency. People appear to forget that this is a public forum and that anyone can read posts similar to these and think that it's ok to remove combustion covers, etc.
For those that do not know Rule 10 of this forum:
IS DIY GAS LEGAL?
Diy gas work is not illegal, BUT, the law does require that only competent people may work on gas appliances.
You also have to be able to test anything you've done, so you need the right equipment and have the right qualification to use it.
The Gas Safety Regs 1998 states LINK
Quote:
No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or storage vessel unless he is competent.
The Health and Safety Executive states
Quote:
DIY Gas is strongly discouraged and the use of a registered gas installer is always advised.
If you can prove competence, you are allowed legally to diy gas in your own home. This does not however, apply to doing gas work for family and friends even if without charge.
Competence is only proven by passing ACS exams and having the appropriate equipment and ability to carry out certain safety tests required by law.
Please note if you ignore this advice:
1) If you are found working illegally, (not gas competent), you are breaking the law and the H.S.E. can prosecute. Example HERE
2) You will be putting your family at risk of Carbon Monoxide poisoning.
3) Your insurance co is likely to reject any claims being caused by DIY gas work.
Gas Work includes but may not be limited to:
Anything which involves removal of a combustion chamber cover or sealed boiler case
Any work involving a
Gas pipework or any gas fitting
Gas Valve
Fan
Air Pressure Switch
Pilot
Burner
Ignition and flame recognition electrodes
Thermostat
Other Safety Controls such as thermocouples
Circuit board
Note that the definition of "Work" specifically includes decommissioning, ie removal, of gas pipe or fittings.
The law requires that when any work is done on a boiler, it must be tested in accordance with the Gas Safety Installation And Use Regulations, and others. They outline what needs testing but not how to test it or what a particular boiler has on it which needs testing. It's not all in the boiler manual. Only training tells you that.
Just because a boiler works, it doesn't mean it's safe.
Water-carrying parts of a boiler unrelated to gas or airflow, such as the pump or hydraulics, can be worked on without gas training, though you still have to be competent, for example electrically.
This site does not support DIY gas and posts giving advice on gas work, or encouraging or suggesting it, may be deleted. However, posts are not routinely monitored, so no work should be done as a result of seeing anything on the site.
ANYONE PERSISTENTLY GIVING ADVICE REGARDING WORK ON THE LISTED COMPONENTS OR REPEATING IT ONCE DELETED, CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THEIR MEMBERSHIP OF THE SITE REVOKED.
Anyone seeing such a post should raise an"Alert" so it can be dealt with.
Knowledgeable members should refer to this section, avoiding any confrontational or abusive language at all times.
James.
For those that do not know Rule 10 of this forum:
IS DIY GAS LEGAL?
Diy gas work is not illegal, BUT, the law does require that only competent people may work on gas appliances.
You also have to be able to test anything you've done, so you need the right equipment and have the right qualification to use it.
The Gas Safety Regs 1998 states LINK
Quote:
No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or storage vessel unless he is competent.
The Health and Safety Executive states
Quote:
DIY Gas is strongly discouraged and the use of a registered gas installer is always advised.
If you can prove competence, you are allowed legally to diy gas in your own home. This does not however, apply to doing gas work for family and friends even if without charge.
Competence is only proven by passing ACS exams and having the appropriate equipment and ability to carry out certain safety tests required by law.
Please note if you ignore this advice:
1) If you are found working illegally, (not gas competent), you are breaking the law and the H.S.E. can prosecute. Example HERE
2) You will be putting your family at risk of Carbon Monoxide poisoning.
3) Your insurance co is likely to reject any claims being caused by DIY gas work.
Gas Work includes but may not be limited to:
Anything which involves removal of a combustion chamber cover or sealed boiler case
Any work involving a
Gas pipework or any gas fitting
Gas Valve
Fan
Air Pressure Switch
Pilot
Burner
Ignition and flame recognition electrodes
Thermostat
Other Safety Controls such as thermocouples
Circuit board
Note that the definition of "Work" specifically includes decommissioning, ie removal, of gas pipe or fittings.
The law requires that when any work is done on a boiler, it must be tested in accordance with the Gas Safety Installation And Use Regulations, and others. They outline what needs testing but not how to test it or what a particular boiler has on it which needs testing. It's not all in the boiler manual. Only training tells you that.
Just because a boiler works, it doesn't mean it's safe.
Water-carrying parts of a boiler unrelated to gas or airflow, such as the pump or hydraulics, can be worked on without gas training, though you still have to be competent, for example electrically.
This site does not support DIY gas and posts giving advice on gas work, or encouraging or suggesting it, may be deleted. However, posts are not routinely monitored, so no work should be done as a result of seeing anything on the site.
ANYONE PERSISTENTLY GIVING ADVICE REGARDING WORK ON THE LISTED COMPONENTS OR REPEATING IT ONCE DELETED, CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THEIR MEMBERSHIP OF THE SITE REVOKED.
Anyone seeing such a post should raise an"Alert" so it can be dealt with.
Knowledgeable members should refer to this section, avoiding any confrontational or abusive language at all times.
James.
cough, cough, cough, cough.
that's fourcough to you.
that's fourcough to you.
cough, cough, cough, cough.
that's fourcough to you.
A typical comment from someone who probably works 9 - 5, 5 days a week and outside of this doesn't care about other peoples well being where gas appliances are concerned.
James
I'm appalled by the number of gas fitters who call themselves engineers and who persistently misrepresent the contents of the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations to members of the public.
Can you guarantee that everyone who can view this forum has completed their ACS? Because I can sure as hell guarantee that people who are not competent can view this information and misinterpret it thinking that it's ok to freely work on a gas fitting (appliances included). This maybe ok in Essex and Merseyside but I will openly challenge anyone who has not proved their competency. As for my competence, Gas Safe know I'm competent so you don't need to worry about that.
Onetap, I don't think I've seen you in CC, same goes for sooey.
James.
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And the only way to prove competence is through an approved awarding body via the ACS assessments. Otherwise any tom, dick and Harry can just say "I am competent" without having to prove it
You come across like some geezer who's recently qualified and full of his own importance. For a start you've only been on the site 5 minutes and want to lecture long standing members what they are and aren't allowed to say.....they already know.cough, cough, cough, cough.
that's fourcough to you.
A typical comment from someone who probably works 9 - 5, 5 days a week and outside of this doesn't care about other peoples well being where gas appliances are concerned.
James
You come across like some geezer who's recently qualified and full of his own importance. For a start you've only been on the site 5 minutes and want to lecture long standing members what they are and aren't allowed to say.....they already know.cough, cough, cough, cough.
that's fourcough to you.
A typical comment from someone who probably works 9 - 5, 5 days a week and outside of this doesn't care about other peoples well being where gas appliances are concerned.
James
Well pal, maybe being passionate about my area of work is a crime on here? Didn't realise that there is a direct correlation between the time I've been qualified and the time I've been a member of this site? In the past I've been very sceptical about joining sites like these. So when I dip my toes into DIYnot, I was astonished about the blatant disregard of Rule 10 on this site. To keep things simple, I personally believe that anything that involves removal of the front cover should be discussed in the CC as this is where competence can be verified, but this I will agree is a little stricter than Rule 10, as I said IMO it would keep things simple. I have a very negative view of anyone who is competent, who passes on information regarding work carried out a gas fitting in an open forum before competence of the OP and those that can view the information has been verified.
James.
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I don't think I've seen you in CC, same goes for sooey.
James.
Tread carefully James otherwise sooey may rip you a new azz when he gets you in the combustion chamber.
I don't think I've seen you in CC, same goes for sooey.
James.
Tread carefully James otherwise sooey may rip you a new azz when he gets you in the combustion chamber.
Appears to be a habit this kind of behaviour.
James
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