What vehicle(s) do you drive on a regular basis?

[ReganAndCarter]

You wouldn't buy a new car anyway, so where's the compulsion?

In the future the supply of ICE vehicles will dry up. Because of this the greatly decreasing economies of scale for petrol/diesel sales will mean the price increasing substantially. Parts for ICEs may become harder to source due to decreasing demand. Plus the possibility that Mad Ed or his successor will push for higher fuel taxes to discourage it's use. VED has also risen massively on certain ICE vehicles in last few years.

There's the compulsion.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Apart from your trotting out the usual bowlogs "facts" - again, to hammer home your (non) point - you're using an example from almost 4 yrs ago?

Just goes to show that the scenario you use to pooh-pooh EV is far from the norm, or the frequent

How is that real world scenario from a whole 45 months ago any different from the same journey this November, or the next - genius?

I admitted that the scenario is not the norm, however you seem unable to grasp the meaning of flexibility. Hunting for a working charger every 200 miles or so then waiting an hour or two for the thing to charge ain't flexible in anyone's book - except maybe yours.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I admitted that the scenario is not the norm, however you seem unable to grasp the meaning of flexibility. Hunting for a working charger every 200 miles or so then waiting an hour or two for the thing to charge ain't flexible in anyone's book - except maybe yours.

EV's have their uses, but where there is distance involved, or flexibility is needed - EV's just don't meet the need and never possibly could. They are at best, a stop gap measure, to appease the greenies.

 

[Brigadier]

In the future the supply of ICE vehicles will dry up. Because of this the economies of scale for petrol/diesel will mean the price increasing substantially. Plus the possibility that Mad Ed or his successor will push for higher fuel taxes to discourage it's use. VED has also rised massively on certain ICE vehicles.

There's the compulsion.

But you and your fellow ICE fanboys reckon they'll last decades.

And, as there are millions of them do you not think that, between the voting public and the lobbying resources of the oil companies, the duties on petrol and diesel won't be much more than they currently are, for a similarly-long period?


You'll be long-dead before any of that becomes anything to worry about.

 

[Brigadier]

How is that real world scenario from a whole 45 months ago any different from the same journey this November, or the next - genius?

I admitted that the scenario is not the norm, however you seem unable to grasp the meaning of flexibility. Hunting for a working charger every 200 miles or so then waiting an hour or two for the thing to charge ain't flexible in anyone's book - except maybe yours.

An annual road trip then.

Wow................

 

[Brigadier]

EV's have their uses,

What we on the EV side have been saying all along.

but where there is distance involved, or flexibility is needed

While I agree to a point, that point is much further away than you want to acknowledge.
Sure, you can come up with a scenario which supports your position, but that is not most people's experience.
I'm for realistic, not for throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

EV's just don't meet the need and never possibly could.

They're closer than you might want to acknowledge, even for hypothetical built-to-prove-a-point situations.

They are at best, a stop gap measure

Really?
They're already faster, quieter, more powerful, more fuel-efficient...............and that's as of now.
Just imagine the progress likely to be made in five years say.

 

[Avocet]

But if it's forced on us, is the progress really all it's cracked up to be? Is it really for OUR benefit?

Are you still grumpy about the asbestos ban they "forced on us" in 1999? That was for our benefit - but maybe there's a conspiracy theory out there that it was for some other dark, ulterior motive and that asbestos is actually really good for us...)

There's a reason why we haved to be forced to drive these things. You don't seem to like freedom of choice?

Freedom of choice is wonderful - who wouldn't want to do whatever they liked, whenever they liked? Kids could live on sweets and never go to school, and I'd never have to go to work. I could drive as fast as I liked, on whichever side of the road I fancied and carry a gun if anyone objected.

Unfortunately, most grownups realise that real life ain't like that, and that if they want to enjoy the benefits of a safe, stable, civilised society, they have to sacrifice some "freedoms" to achieve it. The problems come when one man's "freedom" impinges on another's. That's why we have rules...

 

[Avocet]

Yes, but it lacked the compulsion. That's what annoys people.

So where's the "compulsion" today? Who's taking your ****ty old diesel off you?

 

[Avocet]

Different doesn't necessarily mean better.

People have been saying that for millennia. Some are better at coping with change than others!

 

[Avocet]

Jeez! Forced to drive battery appliances, now a spy in the cab. Citizen Starmer would approve.

You'll be complaining there's a drink-drive limit next...

 

[Avocet]

In the future the supply of ICE vehicles will dry up. Because of this the greatly decreasing economies of scale for petrol/diesel sales will mean the price increasing substantially. Parts for ICEs may become harder to source due to decreasing demand. Plus the possibility that Mad Ed or his successor will push for higher fuel taxes to discourage it's use. VED has also risen massively on certain ICE vehicles in last few years.

There's the compulsion.

OK, well start crying about it when it happens. While you're about it, you can cry about the price of diesel going up because there's less of it, or because there's some other war on. (In fact, you might get the chance to do that quite soon, now that Ukraine has missiles it can fire at Russian oil pipelines...)

 

[Avocet]

How is that real world scenario from a whole 45 months ago any different from the same journey this November, or the next - genius?

I admitted that the scenario is not the norm, however you seem unable to grasp the meaning of flexibility. Hunting for a working charger every 200 miles or so then waiting an hour or two for the thing to charge ain't flexible in anyone's book - except maybe yours.

Sorry, but this guy isn't going to be too impressed by your "trip to the shops" in the Czech Republic...

 

[Avocet]

EV's have their uses, but where there is distance involved, or flexibility is needed - EV's just don't meet the need and never possibly could. They are at best, a stop gap measure, to appease the greenies.

I refer you to the above post...

 

[Avocet]

But you and your fellow ICE fanboys reckon they'll last decades.

And, as there are millions of them do you not think that, between the voting public and the lobbying resources of the oil companies, the duties on petrol and diesel won't be much more than they currently are, for a similarly-long period?


You'll be long-dead before any of that becomes anything to worry about.

I thought ICE cars never needed anything doing to them anyway?

The really funny thing is that the more folk who switch to EVs, the longer the dinosaur juice is going to last for the brum brum guys! (You're welcome, by the way, Regan and Harry...)

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Sorry, but this guy isn't going to be too impressed by your "trip to the shops" in the Czech Republic...

Yet more nonsense....

In the early days of ICE, they used to do similar, before fuel was generally available. They managed it, by using extremely carefully planned routes, with fuel stops, where the fuel stops had pre-arranged fuel, delivered in cans.

Now try the same route in an EV, without prearranging the charging points weeks in advance.