What vehicle(s) do you drive on a regular basis?

[Avocet]

Avocet is just an EV evangelist.

Ahhhh, this is exactly the original wit and repartee that I come here for...

 

[Avocet]

Cant believe you typed that at the same time as me

I can...

 

[Avocet]

No I wasn't asleep, had you written it as a metaphor, I would have read it as such - you didn't...

Byebye, back in the bin you go.. Enough of your rants!

Reading never was your thing, was it...?

 

[Avocet]

It must be true then.

They do put a phenomenal amount of time and effort trying to sell their beliefs. Suppose they have to do that to distract from being taken in by what the government says they must believe in.

They put a lot of work into challenging the BS and the purveyors of the BS don't seem to like it for some reason...

 

[Avocet]

I would be all for it if I was given one - wasn’t avocet given one

Two, actually... On my second one now. They really are rather good!

 

[Munroast]

"Much" quicker? Really? Have you any idea how big Australia is? I'd love to see your van do that lap in 9 days...

what an environmentally disastrous thing to do. nearly 50% of austrailias electric is still generated from coal (the most polluting form of generation). Apparently Austrailias electric averages something like 640g of co2 per kwh - that would be about 160g of CO2 per km (fast car with air con). @ReganAndCarter diesel van may not be as fast but would likely be less environmentally damaging

 

[Avocet]

both him and brigadeer were doing the same with me - it is very difficult and pointless entering into any discussion with the brainwashed. juwst because I think there is some shortfalls with EV's then apparently I am anti EV and given up on climate change or a denier or something and all manner of other stupidly exaggerated nonsense .

As it happens we will more than likely have an EV by the end of the year (or first half next year), and my house is covered in solar panels (more for environmental reasons than profit (there is no worthwhile monetary benefit in solar panels)) - I will also be keeping my old diesel van (if it passes its mot) for environmental reasons.

But hey - just because i am not 100% EV then i must be the anti christ or something

No, I don't give the proverbial rat's ass whether you're pro or anti EV. There are plenty of other anti-EV folk on here, and I'm not bothered about them either. It's the BS I'm challenging. In Post#102, you made some claims that weren't true, so I challenged them. I'm still waiting for you to come back with some actual numbers but for some reason, you seem strangely reluctant to do that...

The offer's still there...

 

[Munroast]

No, I don't give the proverbial rat's ass whether you're pro or anti EV. There are plenty of other anti-EV folk on here, and I'm not bothered about them either. It's the BS I'm challenging. In Post#102, you made some claims that weren't true, so I challenged them. I'm still waiting for you to come back with some actual numbers but for some reason, you seem strangely reluctant to do that...

The offer's still there...

it seemed a rather stupid post and unworthy of responding to.
my figures remain good, keeping my old van will be better than replacing it with a new EV

and to say that you don't give a "rat's ass whether you're pro or anti EV." is just hilarious, you're obsessed by them, i suspect you're just and always have been obsessed by cars,

I will have to do a post abut all my cycling (virtually double my vans annual mileage) OMG a cyclist caused you to slow down - LOL

 

[Avocet]

what an environmentally disastrous thing to do. nearly 50% of austrailias electric is still generated from coal (the most polluting form of generation). Apparently Austrailias electric averages something like 640g of co2 per kwh - that would be about 160g of CO2 per km (fast car with air con). @ReganAndCarter diesel van may not be as fast but would likely be less environmentally damaging

Yes, Australia's grid carbon intensity is truly shocking. There's really no excuse for it when you see the amount of space they have and their incredibly low population density.

So let's take your 640 g/kWh figure and use my (really thirsty) EV as a worst case shall we? (The Tesla used for the trip would have been better).

It does a (pretty shameful) 3.5 miles to the kWh with me driving it. So 3.5 miles for 640 grammes of CO2 is 183 grammes of CO2 per mile, which we can divide by 1.6 to get 114g/km of CO2. (Must be a REALLY fast car that you were talking about, to get 160)!

So... @ReganAndCarter ... Did you ever find that CO2 figure for your van? It's not quite comparing like-for-like, because that will be the "official" CO2 figure which, as we all know, will be (shall we say) "optimistic"...

And that's before we even start talking about particulates, unburned hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, NOx, ammonia....

 

[Avocet]

it seemed a rather stupid post and unworthy of responding to.
my figures remain good, keeping my old van will be better than replacing it with a new EV

Well, I've given you plenty of chances to post the actual numbers up, but you keep running away from that fight! At some point, you might realise that just making the same ludicrous claim more often, doesn't actually make it true...

and to say that you don't give a "rat's ass whether you're pro or anti EV." is just hilarious, you're obsessed by them, i suspect you're just and always have been obsessed by cars,

Yes I love cars. Have done all my life. ICEs, EVs, dumper trucks... whatever. I've worked in the car industry for 40 years - including some marques that the most hardcore of petrolheads on here would probably approve of. But just because I like the cars, doesn't mean I care much about the opinions of those who drive them. Don't confuse the two.

I will have to do a post abut all my cycling (virtually double my vans annual mileage) OMG a cyclist caused you to slow down - LOL

Fill yer boots! In fact, why don't you make some claims about your pushbike being greener than any EV? I won't challenge them - I'll even agree with you! And you know why? BECAUSE IT WILL ACTUALLY BE TRUE!

I will, of course, continue to challenge claims about your old car being greener....

...for reasons that really should have become obvious to you long before now...

 

[Munroast]

And that's before we even start talking about particulates, unburned hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, NOx, ammonia....

I thought we were talking about CO2, nox particulates etc in the vast unpopulated Aus outback is not as concerning as a city centre

11 kg of co2 in a gallon of diesel, i can easily get 60 to the gallon in my old van which would be 114g co2 per km (that is a real figure not an industry lie) (even taking into account the inaccuracy of the mileometer)
in the heat of aus, i could beat 60mpg

 

[Avocet]

I thought we were talking about CO2, nox particulates etc in the vast unpopulated Aus outback is not as concerning as a city centre

11 kg of co2 in a gallon of diesel, i can easily get 60 to the gallon in my old van which would be 114g co2 per km (that is a real figure not an industry lie) (even taking into account the inaccuracy of the mileometer)
in the heat of aus, i could beat 60mpg

You're forgetting that not all the carbon that comes out of the tailpipe comes from the fuel. You're also assuming complete combustion of the fuel. IF your van (you still haven't said what it is, yet) really COULD average 60 MPG on a trip like that, your CO2 emissions would be closer to 125 g/km.

Convert miles per gallon(UK) to grams of CO2 per km (Diesel) - fuel consumption converter

www.unitjuggler.com

 

[Munroast]

You're forgetting that not all the carbon that comes out of the tailpipe comes from the fuel. You're also assuming complete combustion of the fuel. IF your van (you still haven't said what it is, yet) really COULD average 60 MPG on a trip like that, your CO2 emissions would be closer to 125 g/km.

Convert miles per gallon(UK) to grams of CO2 per km (Diesel) - fuel consumption converter

www.unitjuggler.com

OMG i used 11 from memory but is it more like 11.2 or something? and is that figure consistent and how does the 7% bio element (or is it B10 now) effect CO2 from a fossil source (oil from rape seed is just recently borrowed co2) not that i think we should be using arable land to grow fuel for stupid oversized cars! but it does alter co2 from a fossil base and that is what is mostly creating global warming


And back to EVs, they accelerate really really fast, look how fast my EV accelerates, it makes me so excited - instead of pedestrians and cyclists and little babies in prams breathing in particles from diesels, they are now breathing in tyre dust

what we really need is cars over 750kg and 30hp banned - now that would make a serious difference

 

[Avocet]

OMG i used 11 from memory but is it more like 11.2 or something? and is that figure consistent and how does the 7% bio element (or is it B10 now) effect CO2 from a fossil source (oil from rape seed is just recently borrowed co2) not that i think we should be using arable land to grow fuel for stupid oversized cars! but it does alter co2 from a fossil base and that is what is mostly creating global warming

Good point. I don't know what the calculator takes into account when it comes to the bio content of UK diesel these days.

So... just to recap, EVEN using Australia's appalling grid CO2 figure, my three-and-a-half-hundred horsepower EV is still a lower CO2 emitter than your ??? horsepower van at your (claimed) 60 MPG? Can we put this to bed now?

And back to EVs, they accelerate really really fast, look how fast my EV accelerates, it makes me so excited - instead of pedestrians and cyclists and little babies in prams breathing in particles from diesels, they are now breathing in tyre dust

Not all. They're a bit like ICE cars, really. You can buy fast ones, like Teslas, and you can buy slow ones, like Leaf / Zoe / Spring, etc. It might suit your agenda to demonise all of them, based on what the fast ones can do (whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that fast ICE cars exist too), but that's not the reality. As for tyre particles, yeah, they're a problem, but you seem to be forgetting that ICE cars have tyres too? Perhaps if you DO get an EV, you'll start to realise that not everything you hear about tyre wear is true! I got 35,000 miles out of my last pair of front tyres and 20,000 out of my rears. On my last diesel, I got 16,000 miles out of the front tyres and 50,000 out of the rears. Not so very different, really...

what we really need is cars over 750kg and 30hp banned - now that would make a serious difference

I see... your van weigh less than that does it? Or are you intending to ban your own van?

(And no, it wouldn't, really. Even if you got 100 MPG you'd still be worse than the equivalent EV on CO2...)

 

[ReganAndCarter]

"Much" quicker? Really? Have you any idea how big Australia is? I'd love to see your van do that lap in 9 days...

OK, just to humour you.

Being generous, the Tesla would travel 600 Kms on a full charge. If they used a supercharger it would take approx an hour for a full charge (a lot longer on other chargers). 13,000 miles would need 21 full charges = 21 hours (almost a day!!!) wasted sitting around charging the ugly thing and drinking sh*t coffee. Then there's the time locating/diverting to available, working chargers and faffing around with apps, cables and all that bowllux. So add a few more hours. So maybe 1.5 days wasted on charging in total. A conservative estimate.

An ICE wouldn't need anything like that time to refuel and would possibly, especially a diesel like my wondeful reliable van, have a range double that of the Tesla = 50 per cent fewer refueling stops. So being very generous say 0.25 of a day spent sourcing fuel and refilling an ICE.

Unless of course the Tesla's Oz trip wasn't a real world scenario and the Tesla wasn't a standard car. In which case it's meaningless and all comparisons with ICE are pointless.

But don't let me spoil your delusions.