Feasible, with a 24 to 72 lag in consumption data - how is it possibly feasible?
Add to the mix, that the data is far too granular, to be of much use, such that absolutely anything could be consuming the power.
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Feasible, with a 24 to 72 lag in consumption data - how is it possibly feasible?
Add to the mix, that the data is far too granular, to be of much use, such that absolutely anything could be consuming the power.
Don't people choose to make their lives uber complicated and expensive?
I just shove 20 quids' worth of diesel in the tank once a week.
And would the batteries also be 'knackered'?
Don't people choose to make their lives uber complicated and expensive?
I just shove 20 quids' worth of diesel in the tank once a week.
Yep, just get in and go, no pre-planning, no worry about how far you can go, if it happens to run low, just top the tank up anywhere, and in an instant. How convenient is a vehicle, where before you use it, you have to make sure it will manage the distance?
That's one they cannot argue with although tried to deny by saying "if what you say is true"Oh, jeez! You're asking for it now.
Yes, all of 5 mins to top up on the way out of Asda after doing some shopping.
Unbeleivable, some of them think they're saving money. Grand for a charger that might need updating for future cars. That's just the start of it. People are desperate to be seen adopting the latest fads. Relying on all this tech will lead to problems. Was in a pub few months ago and their card/phone payment system went down. Luckily I use cash for small purchases - but there were some very unhappy punters in there who don't.
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Don't people choose to make their lives uber complicated and expensive?
I just shove 20 quids' worth of diesel in the tank once a week.
Not really. I just plug the car in and leave a computer to sort out putting in about £3 or so of electricity to do the same sort of distance.
Of course, for people who are not very good with computers and generally scared of modern technology, I guess it might sound really daunting...
Mine's a bit like that, except I can start off with an absolutely full tank of fuel from my front door every trip, if I so choose. If it happens to run low, I have about 80,000 public chargers to choose from, compared to only about 8000 petrol stations...
Once you get used to the idea that there aren't any dragons any more, and that you won't fall off the edge of the world if you go too far, it's really quite easy.
From my ICE driving days, (that's the really great thing about having actual, real-life, lived experience of both, you see
), I thought that was pretty much a pre-requisite for any vehicle?Oh that takes me back! What a pain that was! It's cold and dark, the rain is pi55ing down. You're knackered after a long day's work. You fight your way round the supermarket, load the shopping in the car. FINALLY, that comfy sofa and can of beer is almost within reach...
...and then you notice the bloody fuel gauge...
Mine paid for itself in 3 months! IF I had to replace it (and that's not very likely), the replacement would cost a fraction of the original, because most of the cost of a home charger installation, is getting the Distribution Network Operator to OK the installation, and running the cable. Swapping the box on the end is trivial.
That's just the start of it. People are desperate to be seen adopting the latest fads. Relying on all this tech will lead to problems. Was in a pub few months ago and their card/phone payment system went down. Luckily I use cash for small purchases - but there were some very unhappy punters in there who don't.
I can remember my granddad waging a finger at me and saying "Ah... but what if your calculator breaks down, eh"?! In fact, now I come to think of it, it took quite a while before they stopped equipping those newfangled steamers with sails...
, I have about 80,000 public chargers to choose from, compared to only about 8000 petrol stations...
That statement would be more honest if you compared like with like. You skewed the real picture by giving the number of individual chargers. But you quoted petrol 'stations' - which each have multiple individual pumps.
Then you need to deduct the not insignificant number of non working chargers. You also forgot to mention in your biased stats that infinitely more chargers are needed than pumps because an EV could be stuck on a charger for hours. The superior refueling system inherent in all ICEs means they can be filled from empty and away in 5 mins.
These EV owners think we came down in the last shower.
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Every petrol station in the country would need ten pumps just to give the same number of "nozzles" as "plugs". Do you really think that's the case?
So we're completely overlooking your conveniently skewed, biased stats then?
Just need to remember that a single pump could poss (there's that word again!!) refuel 10 or 20 ICEs in the time it takes to recharge a single low EV - dependant on the type of EV and charger used. Nowhere near the same number of pumps needed to service a number of ICEs compared to same number of EVs.
So we're completely overlooking your conveniently skewed, biased stats then?
Well you certainly seem to be making an assumption that suits your narrative! All I did was to point out that your assumption is based on their being at least 10 petrol pumps per station...
Just need to remember that a single pump could poss (there's that word again!!) refuel 10 or 20 ICEs in the time it takes to recharge a single low EV - dependant on the type of EV and charger used. Nowhere near the same number of pumps needed to service a number of ICEs compared to same number of EVs.
And, of course, what you need to remember, is that EVs don't suffer the same restrictions as ICEs when it comes to refueling. The latter can only get their fuel from one of those 8000 petrol stations. If every ICE could fill itself up with petrol or diesel at home during the night, you wouldn't need so many petrol stations...
What I will happily concede, is that the refueling network (for both EVs and ICEs) needs to be sized to cope with peak demand, rather than average demand. This is where the longer dwell time of an EV at its "pump" could potentially become a problem. Fortunately, the EV charging network is expanding rapidly, whilst the ICE refueling network is slowly shrinking.