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Hi, we live in a remote costal village in essex moved in this winter.
tv reception hasnt been great, the weather been better today I got up on the roof and discovered the back plate of the aerial is not there.

we have a booster already plugged in, looking on ebay, screwfix and tool station there is a lot of choice. Can any one explain the differances and offer some advise.

Thanks
wez
 
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You need the correct aerial for your location.

Those places you mention all sell wideband aerials only, a sort of jack of all trades, master of none.

A local specialist aerial installer is really the best answer.
 
Salt air and stiff sea breezes won't have done much to help your aerial and the cabling.

If you're up on the roof and can check easily then have a look at the end of the cable. So many installs use crappy cable with a aluminium foil shield and thin ally or copper braid just to save a few pennies. With the connection cover missing then salt and water will have got in. You'd be as well replacing the cable as well as the aerial.


The aerials on Tool Station are all crap. Avoid. The ones on Screwfix are mostly the same except the 28-element Log Periodic. If you have to buy from Screwfix, then that's the one to get. I can't say it'll be as good as the better quality Logs available, but at £3.75 it's for nothing and hardly a loss if you have to replace it with a decent £12-£15 Log after a year.

Log Periodics have a couple of really big advantages over other aerial types. Firstly, they are a true wide-band aerial, so you'll get the same sort of reception quality no matter what channels your local transmitter uses. That's certainly not the case with other wide-band designs.

Second, the slim profile reduces wind loading on the aerial and mast, and so there's less force on the bracket and whatever it is attached too. If you've ever had to pay the bill for repointing a chimney or had the hassle or redrilling to fit a wall/eves bracket that's worked loose then you'll appreciate the value of this.


Don't buy your cable from either site though. Neither site sells anything decent. There's no spec on the sites nor on the manufacturer's own site. That's poor.

Buy Webro Webro WF100. For the amount you'll need it won't cost a lot, but it'll give you a stronger signal at the TV and it'll last 3/4/5 years longer too, so the extra few pennies you spent per metre won't have been wasted.

The only extra you'll need apart from plugs (F type) and cable clips is possibly a masthead amplifier.

Houses a long way from the transmitter or in the lea of hills or trees will need some help with reception. An amplifier does that. A Masthead amp does it the best. It gets the signal at its cleanest where it comes direct off the aerial and adds sufficient power to give enough signal at the TV for decent reception. This is different to those set back boosters; they're amplifying a lot of noise with the signal. That's not as useful.

The same site that sells decent cables also sell a range of masthead amps and accessories.

Personally, I'd try the aerial first and see what sort of signal level you get. Look at your TV tuning menu or wherever they've put the Strength (S) and Quality (Q) metering. If you get 80%+ on Quality without the amp then I'd just stick with the aerial & new cable. BTW, Quality is the most important thing. Strength is only important of the metter shows it well below 50%
 
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The ones on Screwfix are mostly the same except the 28-element Log Periodic.

It's a 14 element aerial. Screwfix don't the definition of elements. You don't count each one twice just because they come out opposite sides of the boom.

Their other aerials are misdescribed as well, sometimes counting the elements as many as 4 times.

Reflector is ONE element whether it is made of one tinfoil block or several stacked rods. A director is ONE element whether it is a simple rod or a quad X type.
 
The ones on Screwfix are mostly the same except the 28-element Log Periodic.

It's a 14 element aerial. Screwfix don't the definition of elements. You don't count each one twice just because they come out opposite sides of the boom.

Their other aerials are misdescribed as well, sometimes counting the elements as many as 4 times.

Reflector is ONE element whether it is made of one tinfoil block or several stacked rods. A director is ONE element whether it is a simple rod or a quad X type.
I'm aware of that, you're aware of that, and so are most aerial professionals. But it doesn't stop the marketing depts using the "more is better" trick to con the buyers.

The question is, do you try to educate (or brow beat) every single buyer who makes a casual enquiry; bearing in mind that they wont know what a deflector or director actually is and maybe not even be aware of what "elements" are. Or do we simply point them in the right direction and stand ready to answer if the question becomes more technical?

I'm of the view that many enquiring just want to know in simple terms what to buy and a little justification. Getting in to the minutiae of technical terms often involves references to stuff that is too in-depth. Keep it simple until it's appropriate to kick it up a level. :)
 
^ Good point.

Though there's a few ancient contract aerials around here that are also missing a back plate where there should definitely be one :)
 
Incidentally, I went to Screwfix yesterday to buy one of the Labgear passive Logs to test against my normal brand. What I found is that the product is unavailable from any branch in the Cheshire area, or Manchester, or Birmingham, or London. It's also unavailable for delivery. I think someone screwed up and this is now no longer available at that price.

I have to say, it was a ridiculously cheap price. It made me wonder if some ciorners had been cut, hence the reason I wanted to test it.
 
Chris, as you are Trade, I assume you know that you can buy aerials from the usual warehouses - Solutions in Alsager, Grax near Manchester, Eurosat near Walsall or mail order from the likes of TRAC in Middlesbrough.

Email me if you need more details.
 
Thanks Sam Gangees, I already have accounts with Grax and Solutions.

The point I was making was I wanted to test the Labgear Log to see if it was as good or not as the regular brands I use from my trade supply.

Labgear has a range of equipment. Some of it is good (I like and use their outdoor 2-way and 4-way splitters and outdoor compression F); some of it is probably okay; other stuff is rubbish.

For example, I wouldn't consider buying Labgear PF100 coax even though it is CAI Benchmarked to test specification RNE678/1-6. In fact that's not as impressive as it first sounds. It's "a" standard so all it really means is there is consistency; or at least we hope there is. However, it's not "a good" standard. :mrgreen: The attenuation is quoted at 1MHz (2.77dB), which doesn't even cover the standard for basic composite video (5.5MHz) let alone get anywhere near the 780MHz for DVB-T2 or the 2300MHz for satellite. Webro WF100 is massively better specified, and it has a complete set of data specs.

So what got me thinking is that if the Labgear cable is so poor then what's their Log aerial like if a retailer can afford to sell it for just £3.75 inc VAT.

On Friday last week I was at Adlington which is about 5 miles from the Winter Hill transmitter. The area has clear line of sight, so out of curiosity I hooked up my regular brand of Log to my meter and did a rough and ready field strength test to compare against my home readings. (81-83dB @ 2m from ground level, hand held, if you're interested).

The Labgear aerial would have been tested against the Log on my roof just to see if the same sort of corner cutting goes on with their aerials as does with their cables. Pure curiosity and a useful cross reference against something know. So when (if) it comes to another enquiry about aerials from Screwfix then I'd have some objective facts to back-up a any statement on reception quality. :)
 
I share your dubiosity* about Labgear.

* Or dubiousness - is that even a real word? Oh, maybe I mean "doubt"! :oops:

Point is: Labgear used to be considered a fairly good brand until the company failed and was bought by Philex. The latter is well known for its "eye candy" products - items that look good but don't necessarily provide the function and reliability demanded by real professionals.

Cable specification comparison here:
http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/cablespecs.htm
Note that, apart from the lack of specification above 1 MHz, PF100 is thinner even than the lowly RG6 cable, which doesn't bode well.

Note, too, that the price of cable is dictated mainly by the amount of copper. Lower price = less copper = higher signal losses and/or poorer screening.

Chris, H B Litherland are main stockists for Labgear, over in Blackpool. So, if you feel like a visit to the seaside... ;)
 

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