Zion and the Art of Armageddon

What would that 'Palestinian Liberation' look like?

Well, in the latest iteration of its stance, senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday the group would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip along the pre-1967-borders. Though he again spoke of a truce, it was also a rare suggestion that Hamas could dissolve its armed wing.

After years of internal discussions, Hamas came out with a new political platform in 2017 that presented a dramatic change in tone from its original charter, issued in 1988. The 1988 charter presented the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in stark religious terms. It spoke of “our struggle against the Jews,” insisted the land belonged to Muslims and declared that jihad, or holy war, was the only way to solve the Palestinian question.

The 2017 document dropped much of that religious and antisemitic rhetoric and instead presented its cause in terms of human rights, including the right of refugees to return and the right to resist occupation. It said its fight wasn’t against Jews but against Zionism, which it called a “colonial” project that had taken Palestinians’ land and repressed their freedoms.

The document enshrined Hamas’s quasi-acceptance of a state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It said such a state, with Jerusalem as its capital and the return of Palestinian refugees, was a “national consensus.” Still, it said it rejects “any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.” That area includes what is now Israel, and in the context of Hamas’ agenda, such language is seen by Israel as a call for its destruction.

Associated Press

I still say the idea of partition along the 32nd parallel would make a start towards a peaceful settlement, and a declaration of Jerusalem as an open city...but i'm still on hold with that call through to the Israeli embassy. Bloody zither music is driving me meshugeneh!
 
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Still, it said it rejects “any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.” That area includes what is now Israel, and in the context of Hamas’ agenda, such language is seen by Israel as a call for its destruction.
Similar to Iran's idea. Full and equal rights for Palestinians anywhere in Israel.

The question really is what the US and western powers want. The New York Times is seen as a decent US gov mouthpiece which reminds me of a memo it's upper echelon sent to it's reporters. It was leaked. It said when reporting don't use the words genocide or occupied. The occupied aspect is in some ways the most important omission. Our media often use it - so far. If not occupied rules are different and also various other implications. This suggests a continuation of the Abraham Accord. Fine but that was agreed in a rather odd way. Negotiations in the US getting now where so it was formulated by a Norwegian politician in secret. That means that the route to it is hidden apart from odd bits that those involved mention in books they have written. The Norwegian got the piece prize. He claims to have all of the paperwork but wont release it. There is a question if the agreement is legal. Pass. It seems Israel accepted it with glee. It seems the official US based negotiations Palestine side would have rejected it as similar had been rejected.

There was an AlJ broadcast on the subject.

Edit My mistake. Not the Abraham accord. It was the Oslo Accords
 
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Hamas has received Israel’s official response to its latest Gaza ceasefire proposal and the Palestinian group will study the document before submitting a reply, the organisation’s deputy Gaza chief Khalil al-Hayya said in a statement. “Hamas has received today the official response of the Zionist occupation to the proposal presented to the Egyptian and the Qatari mediators on April 13,” al-Hayya, who is currently based in Qatar, said in a statement published by the group on Saturday.

[An] official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said Israel had no new proposals to make, although it was willing to consider a limited truce in which 33 captives would be released by Hamas, instead of the 40 previously under discussion. On Thursday, the United States and 17 other countries appealed to Hamas to release all of its captives as a pathway to end the war.

In a statement issued on Friday, Hamas said it was “open to any ideas or proposals that take into account the needs and rights of our people”. But stuck to its key demand that Israel end its war on Gaza and criticised the joint statement issued by the US and others for not calling for a permanent ceasefire, and the withdrawal of Israeli forces [from Gaza].

Citing two Israeli officials, Axios reported that Israel told Egyptian mediators that it was ready to give negotiations on the release of captives “one last chance”, before moving forward with a ground invasion of Rafah, the last refuge for about a million Palestinians who fled attacks by Israeli forces further north in Gaza earlier in the war.

The World Economic Forum special meeting, scheduled to begin in Riyadh on Sunday, will include a Gaza-focused session on Monday set to feature newly appointed Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Mustafa, Egyptian Prime Minister Mostafa Madbouly and Sigrid Kaag, the United Nations aid coordinator for the Gaza Strip.

Al Jazeera

As you were...
 
Even if the peace talks concluded this weekend with a resolution to end the insanity a UN official says the war in Gaza has created 37m tonnes of debris, much of it laced with unexploded bombs, which could take more than a decade to remove. Egyptian efforts to halt the war through negotiations have been paired with stark warnings against a planned Israeli assault on Rafah, the only place in Gaza where Israel has not sent in ground troops.

Israeli leaders say four Hamas battalions have taken shelter among civilians in Rafah, and must be destroyed. Troops, tanks and armoured vehicles have massed in the country’s south, in apparent preparation for the offensive. Airstrikes on Rafah have also escalated in recent days. One of the most recent victims was a baby girl, who had been delivered from her dying mother’s womb.

Egypt’s Kamel was presenting to Israelis a “new vision” for a long-term ceasefire in Gaza, an Egyptian official told Associated Press. In the first stage of the ceasefire there would be a limited hostage release, in return for freeing Palestinian prisoners held in Israel and allowing significant numbers of Palestinians to return to their homes in the north of the strip. Then talks of a larger deal to end the war would continue...
 
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...The bigger question for many (in Sderot) is whether the IDF’s objective of completely destroying Hamas is an achievable goal. Recent polling suggests a majority of Israelis think the likelihood is “fairly low” or “very low”. That sentiment was backed by an assessment by US intelligence agencies, released in March. “Israel probably will face lingering armed resistance from Hamas for years to come,” the report stated, “and the military will struggle to neutralise Hamas’s underground infrastructure, which allows insurgents to hide, regain strength and surprise Israeli forces.”

Israeli officials recently told the New York Times that about 3,000-4,000 Hamas fighters were still present in the areas of northern Gaza closest to Sderot, despite Israel’s claims to have completed major combat operations there. Michael Milshtein, from the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies, believes that while a lot of Hamas’s offensive military capacity has been degraded, the “catch-22” facing Israeli security policy is that without a full Israeli occupation, for which there is no political will or international support, Israel will be forced to confront the threat of Hamas in Gaza.

The Guardian
 
The deal problem at the HAMAS end is pretty simple - pause in fighting is not acceptable to them. A permanent cease fire in not acceptable at the Israeli end. Then come the all hostages factor. A promise to work to permanent during a pause doesn't even make sense to me. If possible it may as well be offered. Also aid going in figures. Permanent makes that easy. A pause of some length ?????

Maybe I should mention my view again. The HAMAS attack is done and dusted.It happened. The main issue is how to reach a solution where groups like that don't crop up again. It could be done by clamping down on them hard. Rather similar to what caused HAMAS in the first place.

The main pressure on HAMAS appears to be Israel's intentions. Give up or we carry on and may well do that anyway.
 
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