"Equal" pay rant!

[carmanmemoranda]

She can't do 90% of the work I do!

So you should charge more

 

[Deleted member 307320]

So you should charge more

But I already charge a very similar amount to my equally experienced colleagues!

I can't price myself out of work simply because one newbie overestimates how much she's worth!

 

[carmanmemoranda]

But I already charge a very similar amount to my equally experienced colleagues!

I can't price myself out of work simply because one newbie overestimates how much she's worth!

Is she over estimating though, if they are happy to pay it.

Don't knock other people for what they earn/charge, just position yourself accordingly

 

[Deleted member 307320]

Is she over estimating though, if they are happy to pay it.

Don't knock other people for what they earn/charge, just position yourself accordingly

I don't think they will be happy, which is a bit awkward as I recommended her...

At the end of the day, it's of no consequence to me, I'm just a bit confused as to why a newcomer would assume she was worth as much as an experienced person!

Think it must be a generational thing...

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I don't think they will be happy, which is a bit awkward as I recommended her...

At the end of the day, it's of no consequence to me, I'm just a bit confused as to why a newcomer would assume she was worth as much as an experienced person!

Think it must be a generational thing...

I still think you are missing the point that they seem prepared to pay her asking rate

 

[Deleted member 307320]

I still think you are missing the point that they seem prepared to pay her asking rate

Actually, they haven't actually discussed rates!

We do the work and then we invoice in my industry. We're all experienced pros so know what's realistic and they know that, so the matter doesn't come up unless someone tries to charge something crazy.

They've assumed she knows how things work and will charge a realistic amount...

Ideally it would have been discussed up front, but it was a last minute thing...

I guess she'll just learn when they either dispute the invoice or (more likely) pay it and not ask her again

 

[blup]

I'm a freelancer in the event industry, have been for over 10 years and am pretty well established.

Been working with someone new for the past couple of days, seemed nice enough, new graduate with sod all experience but seemed keen to learn, so I recommended her to one of my regular clients who've taken her on for a couple of jobs.

Then I made the mistake of asking what day rate she was asking for... It was just a few quid less than mine (the industry standard!)

I'm all for "equality", but when did it become right that two people with dramatically different levels of experience get the same money?!

She will score higher on knowledge and education or whatever the job evaluations boys call it now, because she's got a uni degree vs your practical experience, but its not an equal pay issue, its job evaluation bias in favour of uni degrees regardless of sex. So you'll have to suck it up, or better still threaten to leave, if they like you they'll give you a pay rise.

Blup

 

[Old Salt]

Mine was taking that many at the church all the guest had left and the driver of the rolls was looking at his watch saying come on mate i have another job .
Said to photographer got to go the car is leaving , he said let him go i will give you a lift to reception . To which i said you can go and f#ck yerself i have paid for that car and want a ride in it ,

At my daughters wedding my son went over to the photographer who was trying to make out he was david bailey and told him it was her day not his so get over it and get the job done.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Actually, they haven't actually discussed rates!

We do the work and then we invoice in my industry. We're all experienced pros so know what's realistic and they know that, so the matter doesn't come up unless someone tries to charge something crazy.

They've assumed she knows how things work and will charge a realistic amount...

Ideally it would have been discussed up front, but it was a last minute thing...

I guess she'll just learn when they either dispute the invoice or (more likely) pay it and not ask her again

And if they pay her and ask her to work again ?

 

[Deleted member 307320]

She will score higher on knowledge and education or whatever the job evaluations boys call it now, because she's got a uni degree vs your practical experience, but its not an equal pay issue, its job evaluation bias in favour of uni degrees regardless of sex. So you'll have to suck it up, or better still threaten to leave, if they like you they'll give you a pay rise.

Blup

Academic qualifications are irrelevant, they won't have even asked her. Her uni degree isn't in the subject anyway, and even if it was it would likely count against her! (There's a history in the industry of recent graduates turning up and acting like they know it all, but actually knowing nothing!)

Anyway, why are you assuming I don't have a degree?!

 

[Bod ...]

Academic qualifications are irrelevant, they won't have even asked her. Her uni degree isn't in the subject anyway, and even if it was it would likely count against her! (There's a history in the industry of recent graduates turning up and acting like they know it all, but actually knowing nothing!)

Anyway, why are you assuming I don't have a degree?!

Compare this to those who paid out 7 grand plus on a crash course to be a tiler or a plumber.

Get a job in an old Victorian house where nothing is level and the pipes are lead cast or mild steel. Then it comes home that they were never taught how to deal with curious customers that wanted to know how you were going to fix their problem.

My mate says the same as you when university students join the police force.

 

[Diver Fred]

I don't think they will be happy, which is a bit awkward as I recommended her...

At the end of the day, it's of no consequence to me, I'm just a bit confused as to why a newcomer would assume she was worth as much as an experienced person!

Think it must be a generational thing...

now I'm hoping I'm not putting my big foot in it so here goes - speaking from experience.
a generational 'thing'
Indentured apprentices today start in 40-50% of the full rate whereas when I started it was 20% for the first three months then upped to 25-30%; 2nd year it was 40% and even in the final year it was only around 80%. Relevant degree qualified start on 50% but less progression.
the last indentured apprentices I was involved with - 2 year training - started on 40%, for 8 months whilst in the training centre and first months accompanying the skilled men. That went to 70% for the remainder of their time. Once out of their time they moved to 80% of full rate with a 3 year progression.
Was involved with training 'Modern Apprentices' at one time - what a carp system that was - 8 months from knowing nothing to knowing everything... Starting salary was 70% of a semi-skilled man's momey.
A gender thing...
My last interviewed promotion, two posts both doing the job to the same ends, one technical engineering, one standards engineering; we were required swop or cover each other's role with impunity. Both on the same salary level Y3 of 6 year pay progression. My rise 5%, her rise 10%.
I'm sure you can understand I was not that amused, had it out with the union who said it was how the company was acheiving pay equality. What they also admitted was that this idea was costing the company lots of high quality engineers.

Today, I'm out of company policies, thank F!

 

[blup]

Academic qualifications are irrelevant, they won't have even asked her. Her uni degree isn't in the subject anyway, and even if it was it would likely count against her! (There's a history in the industry of recent graduates turning up and acting like they know it all, but actually knowing nothing!)

Anyway, why are you assuming I don't have a degree?!

Its a classic industry situation, graduate comes on board with little or no experience at the same level as, or worse still managing, the time served expert, who sets them up to fail. Seen it many times. Not saying thats you exactly, but do you recognise that scenario?

Blup

 

[Deleted member 307320]

Its a classic industry situation, graduate comes on board with little or no experience at the same level as, or worse still managing, the time served expert, who sets them up to fail. Seen it many times. Not saying thats you exactly, but do you recognise that scenario?

Blup

Who is setting them up to fail?

I've just recommended her to my biggest client, I just expected her to know what pay she should be asking for!

 

[Bod ...]

Who is setting them up to fail?

I've just recommended her to my biggest client, I just expected her to know what pay she should be asking for!

Walking out the back door with a grin !