If you have a full time job with a reasonable salary I am surprised that you seem to want to do all your home repairs yourself.
Most people call the relevant expert for the product and relax themselves on the golf course or at the local restaurant.
Its usually only unemployed people who are forced to try to repair things themself as a result of lack of income.
I think he is getting at you Chris!
I dont have a problem with anything!
Its not that I cannot but why should I?
But it was replaced with a new one. Thats the corect procedure for an RGI
But did you replace the fuse?underwurlde said:That is why I simply cannot be bothered with you...
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The point of stating any qualifications I had at the start of the thread was so that people could respond at a certain level of understanding instead of the usual 'have you replaced the fuse?'.
That's none of your business.So, come on then Mr. Mouth, what experience do YOU have of the design & manufacture of products APART from the rubbish you've learnt down the pub?
Nothing that I'm aware of, but it's the incorrect spelling of "Softus".What is 'softus' a spelling of anyway?
Which of my words were too difficult? Please let me know and I'll use simpler ones for you.What the hell are you blathering on about now?wondrous claims
Because boiler PCBs incorporate important safety features, and have to work reliably (although not all of them do), whereas most of the Tesco DVD players that cost £17.44 don't last as long as their warranty - I've bought six of them for rented properties (on behalf of skinflinty landlords) and had to return five. However, only a fool calls Tesco "poxy" for any reason other than basic envy; as a business, they're stupendously successful at what they do.If I can go down to poxy Tesco's and buy a DVD player for 20 quid which is far more complex than a boiler 'PCB' AND would obviously include the hidden costs of all those things you have listed, why would it cost so much to make a boiler 'PCB'?
No <sigh>, this was a reference to your original statement (and I did already say so), being that the PCB for your boiler "would cost less than £10 to make.". It wouldn't, it shouldn't, and it doesn't.And you're having a go at me for my typo'sglaringly wrong than a naked nonse at a 5 year old's birthday birthday
Frankly, you do seem quite bovvered.Am I bovvered? Do I look bovvered? Am I bovvered? Bovvered? Me?
If you would just answer the questions that I first put to you, with sensible information, then you'd have a chance at a sensible debate. I don't see the point in you irksomely claiming that everyone else is irked, other than to divert attention away from the fact that you were wrong, and that you can't support your original assertion.Nah, I think perhaps you may be right. No one is going to prove this argument anyway, so what's the point?
Well then, stop the slanging and answer the questions.It's just turning into a slanging match that the mods such have nipped in the bud many posts ago.
If the repair was carried out in accordance with manufacturer instructions, and/or guidance, and/or recommendations, then it could be argued that the repair is competent. If not, then it could be argued that the repair is incompetent, even if it appeared to cure the problem.werewolf said:If a RGI repairs a faulty pcb and fits it back onto the boiler is he contravening any regulations?
You are making it my business by challenging my basic point that the 'PCB' inside my Baxi Boiler, in my view, shouldn't cost the manufacturer more than about a tenner to produce. I am qualified and have the experience to argue my point. Why should I even be listening to your arguments if you are unwilling to back your arguments up with any qualifications or experience in the matter? Why should I believe your statements? What are your statements based on? IMO, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Do you?That's none of your business.
It just gets better & better. Please tell me, what are these 'important safety features' and why would it make a 'PCB' that would otherwise cost a tenner to make suddenly cost £120. All I saw on the 'PCB' in question was a bunch of mains relays, a handful of comparators and an EHT generator for the ignition. And I have already told you, the products that I design & that are currently in production DO have many 'important safety features' on them certainly do NOT cost that much to make - this is what I base my off-the-cuff knowledge on; there will of course be extra cost involved for designing in and testing such products, but I'd hazard a guess at no more than 5% of the cost of manufacturing the final product over the course of the life-span of the product, which is usually 5 years.Because boiler PCBs incorporate important safety features
Are these the questions in question? (I've had to wade through reams of your childish insults & bullying to get to them):If you would just answer the questions that I first put to you, with sensible information, then you'd have a chance at a sensible debate
Is that the best you can come up with? Pulling some obvious issues out of the air? You have not even given any of your points some real values for comparison. And why would simply stating that that PCB costs less than a tenner to make be showing off?If you ignore the cost of design, the cost of establishing a manufacturing plant, the cost of piloting a line, the rate of failures and scrap, the cost of shipping, assume that the production volume is large, and regard the cost of manufacture as being whatever it costs to buy the components and produce one board in a huge batch, then you're right. As an "engineer", do you consider your statement (that a board costs <= £10 to make) to be of any value, other than being for the purpose of you showing off (and rather unsuccessfully)?
Manufacturing a PCB assembly doesn't cost as little as £10. Nowhere near.
So let me get this right.... You are saying that 'PCB's in DVD players CAN be made for less than a tenner. But PCB's inside boilersBecause boiler PCBs incorporate important safety features, and have to work reliably (although not all of them do), whereas most of the Tesco DVD players that cost £17.44 don't last as long as their warranty
I have not ignored anything and neither has the producer of DVD players (or any other manufacturer for that matter of anything else). Getting down to the actual cost of a ‘PCB’ inside a DVD player so that it can be compared to the cost of a PCB inside a boiler (a poor comparison, granted) this will obviously NOT ignore any of the items listed in the above quote of yours:If you ignore the cost of design, the cost of establishing a manufacturing plant, the cost of piloting a line, the rate of failures and scrap, the cost of shipping, assume that the production volume is large, and regard the cost of manufacture as being whatever it costs to buy the components and produce one board in a huge batch, then you're right
+ VAT, of course.underwurlde said:£9.70
I'd already done that.Agile said:I will explain why RGIs should not fit repaired parts.
Actually, even if the commercial constraint didn't exist, I believe that the manufacturer wouldn't approve a PCB repair, so the commercial aspect is irrelevant.However much I demonstrate that I am competent to repair PCBs the manufacturer will never approve a repair I have done because of their commercial restraints.
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