If the jabs are so successful...

[Justin Passing]

But just out of interest why do you think people should post the opinions of other family members on a forum unless they give express permission?

Because they're fukcin anonymous. How hard is that to understand?


You are getting so boring it is long past your STFU time!

Do come back when you have something to offer to this or any other debate

 

[Justin Passing]

"The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to take the protection that didn't protect the protected."

Sure, unprotected, apart from the, "Mostly don't get Really Ill or Die", part.

 

[Justin Passing]

im sure you must know what you mean

So would you if you tried. If it massively reduces the chance of you getting very ill or dying, most people would understand that as protection.

 

[Justin Passing]

some posts have been removed.

And the figures for deaths??????

 

[Justin Passing]

Ah, but the 'new patent' won't allow any real comparison...

More rubbish.

Patents don't keep it secret, they prevent others copying the novel parts. And drugs are easy to analyse.
Active part of Mol was published in 2017-18.

 

[JohnD]

Table 4 is especially interesting.

"Table 4.
COVID-19 deaths (a) within 28 days and (b) within 60 days of positive specimen or with COVID-19 reported on death certificate, by vaccination status between week 37 and week 40 2021"

Rates among persons vaccinated with 2 doses (per 100,000) 45.9 deaths

Rates among persons not vaccinated (per 100,000) 128.1 deaths

Poor old ellal and gassy.

 

[Justin Passing]

JohnD there ARE some strange graphs etc , look at the tables on page 15 of week 41.
Their comments don't entirely match:

The outcomes on all the serious disease and deaths are consistent though.

 

[Justin Passing]

You look at the RATES

When everyone is vaccinated, all the deaths will be among the vaccinated.

 

[JohnD]

a section of the over 80`s

In table 4

(a)
within 28 days

with 2 doses

and for people aged 30 to 39, the death rate per 100,000 for vaccinated is 0.1, and for unvaccinated is 0.8
and for people aged 40 to 49, the death rate per 100,000 for vaccinated is 0.4, and for unvaccinated is 2.0
and for people aged 50 to 59, the death rate per 100,000 for vaccinated is 1.2, and for unvaccinated is 9.9
and for people aged 60 to 69, the death rate per 100,000 for vaccinated is 4.2, and for unvaccinated is 20.2

in a sample 4-week period.

a constant pattern that the unvaccinated are dying at a much higher rate than the vaccinated.

Do you take comfort from that?

The 60-day rates are worse.

What will the numbers be in a 52-week period at the same rates?

13 times as high.

I suppose you're about 60

Your chances don't look too good. Five times as likely to die as your vaccinated twin.

 

[Mottie]

But just out of interest why do you think people should post the opinions of other family members on a forum unless they give express permission?

Ask them for permission then. Come back and let us know whether your 'doctors' give permission to divulge what their thoughts on the virus are.

 

[Notch7]

some posts have been removed.

this hogwash should be deleted unless it can be backed up with facts and data (which it can’t)

 

[Notch7]

why are you so afraid of the truth ...baa baa

I am sorry you aren’t able to understand data and facts

and the increasingly ineffectiveness of the so called vaccines it

The evidence shows the vaccines are effective, so please stop posting drivel.

to worry about regards ADE than i have so when your dying you can think back about how wrong you got it

Hogwash


Evidence says ADE is very rare


Why ADE Hasn't Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines
— Even with new variants, it's unlikely antibody-dependent enhancement will be an issue

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91648

 

[IT Minion]

This page is going to be so quiet in the next year as you all fall by the way side

What does that even mean? Are we now going to die from Covid because we had a vaccine?

 

[AngleEyes]

When everyone is vaccinated, all the deaths will be among the vaccinated.

True (theoretically talking and thinking globally), but the virus will have disappeared by then, because vaccination reduces the possibility of catching it, reduces the severity of it if you do catch it, and perhaps most importantly, reduces the number of variants circulating.

 

[IT Minion]

That's a stupid answer. Take it However I like? Fine it means you'll have foxtrot oscared, as some people like to put it, and we'll be having more intelligent discussions again.

I'm all for it.