Installation of Chinese gas wok cooker

[OwainDIYer]

Oh, and one more thing - the adaptor you've posted a link to is not only the incorrect size, it's also not approved for use on gas - it's a water fitting

I wondered about that, but I didn't want to say anything in case I was wrong.

 

[Terrywookfit]

Playing "Devils advocate ".

3 metres of 22mm pipe will pass more gas than 12 metres of 28mm pipe!!

 

[muggles]

OK, I'll try one more time before I go and bang my head against a wall....

The 1" valve on the cooker would tend to suggest that a 22mm pipe is too small to supply the cooker and that a 28mm pipe should be used. The gas pipe supplying it therefore needs to be upgraded to 28mm to ensure the appliance is supplied with the correct amount of gas. You can't just join a new appliance onto an existing supply of the supply doesn't have the capacity to provide enough gas to run it

Oh, and one more thing - the adaptor you've posted a link to is not only the incorrect size, it's also not approved for use on gas - it's a water fitting

As I have said before, there is an existing cooker of the same type that has been running there on 22mm gas supply for many years, you're the only person to suggest that the piping should be increased to 28mm all the way back to the meter. I don't think this is the answer.

Ok this is the adapter:

http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Male-Iron-Coupler-22-x-25mm-Pack-2/p/421601[/QUOTE]

As Owain has said, just because "it's been like it for years" doesn't mean it's correct by modern regulations, which are the regulations that you need to adhere to on installation of the new appliance. As you're only 16 years old with almost no knowledge of gas, what you think is the answer isn't really relevant. Your thoughts are wrong.

The correct adapter won't be available in DIY sheds, as gas work isn't for DIY. You'll need to go to a specialist merchant, where they will ask to see your mentor's Gas Safe Registration card before they sell him anything, and purchase a gas-approved adaptor to 28mm.

Your mentor will be very impressed with you if you go back and tell him the following... "I think that if we were to fit this, the gas pipe would need to be upgraded to 28mm from the meter as it is a 1" inlet on the gas valve, however I don't think that it can legally be fitted in the UK as there is no data plate or manufacturers instructions to tell us what gas rate is required or how to test it for safe operation". If he's not impressed with this answer, he is a muppet and you need to find a different company to work for

 

[Terrywookfit]

OK, I'll try one more time before I go and bang my head against a wall....



Oh, and one more thing - the adaptor you've posted a link to is not only the incorrect size, it's also not approved for use on gas - it's a water fitting

As I have said before, there is an existing cooker of the same type that has been running there on 22mm gas supply for many years, you're the only person to suggest that the piping should be increased to 28mm all the way back to the meter. I don't think this is the answer.

Ok this is the adapter:

http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Male-Iron-Coupler-22-x-25mm-Pack-2/p/421601[/QUOTE]



The correct adapter won't be available in DIY sheds, as gas work isn't for DIY. You'll need to go to a specialist merchant, where they will ask to see your mentor's Gas Safe Registration card before they sell him anything, and purchase a gas-approved adaptor to 28mm.

In your dreams!!

Which fookin planet do you inhabit??

 

[adam1998]

OK, I'll try one more time before I go and bang my head against a wall....

The 1" valve on the cooker would tend to suggest that a 22mm pipe is too small to supply the cooker and that a 28mm pipe should be used. The gas pipe supplying it therefore needs to be upgraded to 28mm to ensure the appliance is supplied with the correct amount of gas. You can't just join a new appliance onto an existing supply of the supply doesn't have the capacity to provide enough gas to run it

Oh, and one more thing - the adaptor you've posted a link to is not only the incorrect size, it's also not approved for use on gas - it's a water fitting

As I have said before, there is an existing cooker of the same type that has been running there on 22mm gas supply for many years, you're the only person to suggest that the piping should be increased to 28mm all the way back to the meter. I don't think this is the answer.

Ok this is the adapter:

http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Male-Iron-Coupler-22-x-25mm-Pack-2/p/421601[/QUOTE]

As Owain has said, just because "it's been like it for years" doesn't mean it's correct by modern regulations, which are the regulations that you need to adhere to on installation of the new appliance. As you're only 16 years old with almost no knowledge of gas, what you think is the answer isn't really relevant. Your thoughts are wrong.

The correct adapter won't be available in DIY sheds, as gas work isn't for DIY. You'll need to go to a specialist merchant, where they will ask to see your mentor's Gas Safe Registration card before they sell him anything, and purchase a gas-approved adaptor to 28mm.

Your mentor will be very impressed with you if you go back and tell him the following... "I think that if we were to fit this, the gas pipe would need to be upgraded to 28mm from the meter as it is a 1" inlet on the gas valve, however I don't think that it can legally be fitted in the UK as there is no data plate or manufacturers instructions to tell us what gas rate is required or how to test it for safe operation". If he's not impressed with this answer, he is a muppet and you need to find a different company to work for

I am sure my mentor will have all the fittings in his van and there will be no need to go to a merchant, but I like the way you worded it and I thank you for that

 

[Agile]

Some of the people on the other site which he has posted on have does a bit of research.

Its a bit odd that the photos, which "Adam" has posted, are on a web site whose domain name is registered to someone in their 30s-40s and at an address where there is a Chinese takeaway.

It makes interesting reading and makes the likelihood of this being a windup by someone contemplating an illegal installation.

Totally regardless of the fact that an unbadged appliance with no makers installation instructions is unlikely to be capable of being legally installed anyway!

Tony

 

[OwainDIYer]

It makes interesting reading and makes the likelihood of this being a windup by someone contemplating an illegal installation.

In that case I hope that someone there forwards the relevant evidence to Gas Safe as hopefully preventative action may be taken (?)

 

[Agile]

The address for the takeaway has been worked out and posted elsewhere!

Tony

 

[Happyplumber]

Gassafe can not do much in these cases compared to the local council Environmental Health department who will ask you safety certificate. When one can not be provided then all hell usually breaks loose with GSR and HE courts and the likes

 

[FiremanT]

It is very questionable if you are even permitted to fit a used Chinese wok burner in the UK if there is no data plate and no written manufacturer's instructions.

Even if you had anything on it in Chinese then you could post the picture here and one of us can translate it into English for you!
Tony
哈哈

Having re-read the arrogant oiks posts, with grammatical oddities, I am all the more convinced that he can translate it himself.

And it is fairly clear -no DB, no EC mark, no fit

 

[adam1998]

Some of the people on the other site which he has posted on have does a bit of research.

Its a bit odd that the photos, which "Adam" has posted, are on a web site whose domain name is registered to someone in their 30s-40s and at an address where there is a Chinese takeaway.

It makes interesting reading and makes the likelihood of this being a windup by someone contemplating an illegal installation.

Totally regardless of the fact that an unbadged appliance with no makers installation instructions is unlikely to be capable of being legally installed anyway!

Tony

What a waste of ink mate, you didn't do the full research, as you'd find that your question and "worry" was already answered by me. Now go back and find the answer yourself as i won't do it for you, because it looks to me that most of you folks here, are just interested in anything else but not the actual topic and I know why is that, it's simple: because you don't know the answer, but of course trying to be clever: Let show that little kid who we are, the BIG men.

I feel sorry for you guys, I dread to think how you were when you were my age, actually I know as there are plenty of kiddish mates I have at school, but sometimes I wonder whether is good for me to be quite mature for my age.... perhaps it's not a good thing.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Comedy gold this.

Don't think too hard. It might affect your modesty.

 

[adam1998]

Comedy gold this.

Don't think too hard. It might affect your modesty.

By the way Mr. Robinson and the rest of the gas "specialists" on here. I spoke with my mentor today and I did mention and showed him a picture of the fitting below:

http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Male-Iron-Coupler-22-x-25mm-Pack-2/p/421601

...and do you know what he said? He said: Good job, good lad.

This is a man with over 30 years experience as a GAS engineer, let me reiterate, like he said to me before, "Sometimes things are very simple."

I haven't printed yet our chat history from here, but I will as I want to show him, so far I told him briefly about the conversations I've been having with you guys, and he said that a lot of them people on the plumbing forums are folks who have failed in the industry and are trying to be clever behind the keyboard, but don't really know how to do it in practice. These are his words not mine.

All this scaremongering, changing the pipes to 28mm all they way to the gas meter, or you shouldn't buy fittings from Wickes, they are not compatible, really? I would ask what is the difference between them fittings and the ones you guys buy from your so called specialist shops? Simple answer: None.

So I guess sometimes things in life could be very simple just like through the eye of a 16 yr old.

My mentor will be fixing the cooker within the next week, but I already know that it's going to be a simple job, so much for all the typing on here.

 

[FiremanT]

Comedy gold this.

Don't think too hard. It might affect your modesty.

So I guess sometimes things in life could be very simple just like through the eye of a 16 yr old.

My mentor will be fixing the cooker within the next week, but I already know that it's going to be a simple job, so much for all the typing on here.

Jeez, is that **** still here.

I suspect he is related to Joe 90

 

[Dan Robinson]

You crack on fella

Mentor? .


So have you checked the relevant BS documents and TB's?


Has he?


30 years mean not very much. But, I do agree with him. Some things are very simple .