Noisy condensing boiler when firing up.

[ydnas]

I have a Ravenheat CSI primary, fanned flue boiler (12 months old)
9 radiators fitted with Rad valves.
Manual bypass, cracked just open, (if I open too much, rads don't get very hot)
System was power-flushed at installation and has inhibitor in the system.
Pump running on setting 3, have tried setting 2, no real change.

Every time the boiler fires up, there is a noise like a bandit dive-bombers coming in at 12-o-clock (I used to love those old films when I were a lad)
It has always done this, but more noticable when the heating is on.

Getting to be worse than Chinese water torture - no joke though...
Any Ideas??????

 

[bengasman]

get the installer back, and contact corgi if he does not fix it. do not reduce pump speed

 

[Rob]

get the installer back, and contact corgi if he does not fix it. do not reduce pump speed

The boiler is 12 months old and unlikley to be covered by the installers guarantee. If its done it since new then it should have been reported then not a year later.

If your installer has been made aware previously then conctact Trading Standards not Corgi.

 

[bengasman]

I have a Ravenheat CSI primary, fanned flue boiler (12 months old)
9 radiators fitted with Rad valves.
Manual bypass, cracked just open

a MANUAL bypass?? 9 rads with trv and no roomstat? My guess is that the benchmark is either not filled out at all, or the measured results are suddenly way off. no benchmard = AR

 

[Agile]

Was the installer CORGI registered?

If you chose to use an illegal installer then you should not expect him to be able to do a good job or to have any clue how to properly commission the boiler.

Presumably you bought the boiler yourself in a shed and someone with a first name and mobile phone number fitted it and you paid with cash and no receipt?

It seems that now you are going to have to pay out again just to get the boiler properly commissioned.

Tony

 

[bengasman]

It seems that now you are going to have to pay out again just to get the boiler properly commissioned.

Tony

Uh oh, that is bound to get some mailing going Tony. Hot topic with corgi cracking down on rogue installers. I have heard and read a hundred opinions on this but nobody seems to know exactly if you can commission somebody else’s work or not. I have definitely not found anything in the GSIUR that states explicitly it is illegal to do so.
Who knows the REAL answer to this, and where can we find the particular bits of legislation that underbuild this?
I had a chap a while ago who was done by a builder who had contracted the heating part out to someone who had hired a temp to `help out` Nobody wanted to know and no one was responsible of course. The house holder was of good faith and asked me to rectify what was wrong and was happy to pay for it. he was also quite happy to pay me for a belated commissioning but I let that part go as I did not think it was not legal to.

 

[Agile]

There is absolutely nothing to stop any RGI from commissioning any boiler!

Its far better that its safety checked and commissioned properly.

The only thing that CORGI ask is that the name and address of the illegal installer is advised to them. Of course in practice its very unlikely that the installer is known by anything other than than a first name and a mobile number.

The only thing that an RGI MUST not do is to "sign off" and notify CORGI of the installation as if its his installation.

Tony

 

[bengasman]

The only thing that an RGI MUST not do is to "sign off" and notify CORGI of the installation as if its his installation.

Tony

in which case, how do you get your notification? apart from user safety issues, is that not the crucial bit?

 

[namsag]

Where does it say no benchmark is AR

 

[corgiman]

Where does it say no benchmark is AR

it dont but if you believe it to have been installed by a non competant person it is a riddor

 

[bengasman]

Where does it say no benchmark is AR

not sure where it says so, but was told by corgi inspector. love them or loath them, they do know their stuff

 

[namsag]

He is talking rubbish . This form not filled in is not a reason to AR a boiler

 

[bengasman]

He is talking rubbish . This form not filled in is not a reason to AR a boiler

You could argue that a boiler without a benchmark has not been tested properly and could have an output far higher than it is designed for and therefore is unsafe.
Every corgi inspector I have met has been very knowledgeable about regs to say the least. At the end of the day, their job is to enforce safety regs so I imagine they spend a fair amount of time training in the how and what of this. If I had to place a bet on a the outcome of a dispute, my money would be on the corgi inspector. I am not aware of many occasions where corgi lost a case.
Having said that, judging by the estimates of gaswork being carried out illegally in one way or the other, they are not infallible.
I am in no way an expert on the grey areas and from the many discussions on this forum it has become clear that very few of us are. Interesting though, as you never know when you find yourself in a position where sound knowledge of borderline cases can help you get out of a tight spot.

 

[corgiman]

has anyone noticed that the OP has foxtrot oscared??

 

[Agile]

I think that I can explain this.

A boiler that has not been commissioned is "At Risk" because the operating parameters have not been checked. It might be Ok but until it has been checked its potentially at risk of being dangerous.

If the benchmark is not completed there is no evidence that it has been commissioned ( as thats what the Benchmark does).

To Ben, if the boiler has not been installed by a CORGi then there can NEVER be a notification to CORGI. ( Unless a CORGI removes the boielr and reinstalls it! )

Tony