Me neither. Mind you, you can buy a consumer unit and a gas boiler at your local B&Q. They'll sell 'em to anybody.
IMO In the wrong hands electricity is as dangerous as gas.
Utility room- special location?
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Me neither. Mind you, you can buy a consumer unit and a gas boiler at your local B&Q. They'll sell 'em to anybody.
IMO In the wrong hands electricity is as dangerous as gas.
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Some of you seem to be confused about the distincton between a kitchen and a 'special location'. Those terms are not synonymous in the B.Regs, they are separately defined terms.
A kitchen is not a 'special location', so it follows that a Utility Room with a fixed sink and food-preparation facilities, cannot be a 'special location'.
The term 'Kitchen' is defined not only in the Approved Document P, but in the main body of the B.Regs. All of which means that an individual BCO might consider a Utility Room to be non-notifiable with regard to 'Part P' but nevertheless subject to other parts - 'Part F', for example.
The fact that 'food preparation facilities' is mentioned in the definitions, has little to do with electrical safety, but rather an accurate way of defining a kitchen - to avoid dispute over the meaning.........
Lucia.
A kitchen is not a 'special location', so it follows that a Utility Room with a fixed sink and food-preparation facilities, cannot be a 'special location'.
The term 'Kitchen' is defined not only in the Approved Document P, but in the main body of the B.Regs. All of which means that an individual BCO might consider a Utility Room to be non-notifiable with regard to 'Part P' but nevertheless subject to other parts - 'Part F', for example.
The fact that 'food preparation facilities' is mentioned in the definitions, has little to do with electrical safety, but rather an accurate way of defining a kitchen - to avoid dispute over the meaning.........
Lucia.
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Just playing a bit of Devils Advocate here so bear with me.
You may get some BCO that will say it is not classed as a kitchen because the dwelling has a separate kitchen. On the other hand, whats the chance that someone somewhere will come across a BCO that says;
"Even though you say, Mr Jones, that you don't prepare food in here you have the facilities to do so, i.e. a sink, a microwave oven and a worktop on which you could prepare food. Therefore I am classing it in the same category as your kitchen and any electrical work is notifiable."
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Which is another reason to just get on with the job and not get these "Jobsworth" bureaucrats involved at all.
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It's just the place where I put down the doner kebab on my way to the sofa on a Friday night.
Does that count as food preparation ?
I'd say that electricis more dangerous than gas..
you mess up fitting gas and you can hear a hiss and smell the gas..
you mess up fitting electric and you don't have a clue until you turn on the kettle with your hand in the sink and get a shock..
I've had a thought about gas safety too..
you should be able to fit something to a cooker / boiler / gas fire etc, that will ( either by radio or hardwire ) tell a safety valve that it wants some gas to use..
then if the gas starts to flow without any call for it the valve closes..
OTOH...
1) Dodgy electrics could start a small fire, which could grow to a large one if not dealt with. There is no such thing as a small gas explosion.
2) Most gas-related casualties are nothing to do with fires or explosions, they are CO poisoning, and you cannot see, smell, hear or taste CO. You could go to sleep every night in a room with bare busbars running around the walls and be perfectly fine for your entire life as long as you never touch them. Go to sleep in a room with a CO leak and you'll be dead before morning.
1) Dodgy electrics could start a small fire, which could grow to a large one if not dealt with. There is no such thing as a small gas explosion.
2) Most gas-related casualties are nothing to do with fires or explosions, they are CO poisoning, and you cannot see, smell, hear or taste CO. You could go to sleep every night in a room with bare busbars running around the walls and be perfectly fine for your entire life as long as you never touch them. Go to sleep in a room with a CO leak and you'll be dead before morning.
surely everyone has CO alarms fitted in areas where combustion appliances are?
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I would imagine that the real distinction between gas and electricity is that leccy is only likely to ever kill one person whereas gas could be (in a terrace ) up to ten or fifteen.
I would imagine that the real distinction between gas and electricity is that leccy is only likely to ever kill one person whereas gas could be (in a terrace ) up to ten or fifteen.
But then a family goes on holiday for 2 weeks not realising they have a small gas leak. They come home at night to their 3 bedroom ground floor flat, all standing in the doorway as Dad fumbles with his keys.
Opens door, fumbles for light switch and BOOM!
Family of four instantly wiped out and upper two stories, (or more), of block of flats collapses causing more death and injury.
They are as dangerous as each other but gas faults are more likely to be noticed by an observant layman. Electricity faults are either discovered by accident or with specialist equipment.
Granted it was the explosion which caused the disaster but the electrics were the detonator.
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@ conny
I really don't understand your post.
I explain the potential major death toll of a gas leak
........ and then you explain the major death toll of a gas leak........................
WHY ?
I believe ( awaiting contradiction ?? ) that there is always a spark when a switch moves betwen two positions , so your initial proposition is wrong.
The major mover for gs regulation in flats was Ronan Point, late 60's early 70's .
I really don't understand your post.
I explain the potential major death toll of a gas leak
........ and then you explain the major death toll of a gas leak........................
WHY ?
I believe ( awaiting contradiction ?? ) that there is always a spark when a switch moves betwen two positions , so your initial proposition is wrong.
The major mover for gs regulation in flats was Ronan Point, late 60's early 70's .
I'm not disputing your post.
What I am responding to is your comment;
My point being that electricity can be just as responsible as gas for killing more than one.
Not arguing or sniping at you.
Sorry if thats what you thought.
What I am responding to is your comment;
My point being that electricity can be just as responsible as gas for killing more than one.
Not arguing or sniping at you.
Sorry if thats what you thought.
yes but..
same scenario as above but the pound they left in the lecy meter has run out and the lights don't work, so dad gets out his lighter so he can see to put another pound in and boom..
it's the gas explosion that kills them, not the spark from the light switch..
if there's enough gas to ignite from a light switch then surely the dad would smell it as soon as he opened the door..
same scenario as above but the pound they left in the lecy meter has run out and the lights don't work, so dad gets out his lighter so he can see to put another pound in and boom..
it's the gas explosion that kills them, not the spark from the light switch..
if there's enough gas to ignite from a light switch then surely the dad would smell it as soon as he opened the door..
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