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Seems nothing's changed whilst I was away....
At least your 'fight' was only with BAS
This guy wants to take on anyone giving advice to DIYers. What a **** Sidmus
You seem to be upset about the information given out on DIYnot, why?
The site is an information resource, and maybe you really do know everything. I as a 48 y.o. having done electrical and comms work for 30 years do not profess to have your heady 'know everything' skill sets.
Occasionally (like the recent 17th ed changes) I have had to seek advice and opinions of others, as to suggested methodologies and interpretation of rules. Sometimes the odd new bit of kit comes along and again a 2nd party query / advice stream is a prudent sounding board.
Now I could go out and find out which LED lights work best in the kitchen, I could buy every CU type and try for myself, I could make enquires to my scheme provider, I could make guesses .
I take the attitude as do 90% of the posters that verification and consideration of other electrician's experiences are a useful method to remove doubt from a subject.
As a 1 man firm I find DIYnot very, very helpful. I do not have the luxury of working from a depot with 30 people to bounce thoughts off of when new regs are introduced or new products released.
On the subject of qualification lets find out what your skills are.
Have you ever done a BT point, a Sky point, moved aerial cable, moved broadband, moved cable TV, done plastering, built kitchens, plumbed bathrooms, tiling, decorating (and on and on).
Bet you are not qualified to do any of them, and yet YOU DID them
So please consider, that if you can do work that you were (initially) unskilled to do, then other will do so as well.
So what's the beef with us reviewing posts and offering up advice ? the same advice that no doubt you have sought to be able to do work you were once not sure of doing !
Get off that high horse (it's so high that there's no oxygen up there) and accept that people will take on work and the learning curve to do the work.
It's not for us or you to go in to the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of someone attempting the work, all we can do is give them a clear insight in to the work, and hope that they will learn from the replies or be discouraged by the replies due to comprehending the complexity of the task and the hassle of the regs hoops that need jumping.
You seem to be upset about the information given out on DIYnot, why?
The site is an information resource, and maybe you really do know everything. I as a 48 y.o. having done electrical and comms work for 30 years do not profess to have your heady 'know everything' skill sets.
Occasionally (like the recent 17th ed changes) I have had to seek advice and opinions of others, as to suggested methodologies and interpretation of rules. Sometimes the odd new bit of kit comes along and again a 2nd party query / advice stream is a prudent sounding board.
Now I could go out and find out which LED lights work best in the kitchen, I could buy every CU type and try for myself, I could make enquires to my scheme provider, I could make guesses
.I take the attitude as do 90% of the posters that verification and consideration of other electrician's experiences are a useful method to remove doubt from a subject.
As a 1 man firm I find DIYnot very, very helpful. I do not have the luxury of working from a depot with 30 people to bounce thoughts off of when new regs are introduced or new products released.
On the subject of qualification lets find out what your skills are.
Have you ever done a BT point, a Sky point, moved aerial cable, moved broadband, moved cable TV, done plastering, built kitchens, plumbed bathrooms, tiling, decorating (and on and on).
Bet you are not qualified to do any of them, and yet YOU DID them
So please consider, that if you can do work that you were (initially) unskilled to do, then other will do so as well.
So what's the beef with us reviewing posts and offering up advice ? the same advice that no doubt you have sought to be able to do work you were once not sure of doing !
Get off that high horse (it's so high that there's no oxygen up there) and accept that people will take on work and the learning curve to do the work.
It's not for us or you to go in to the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of someone attempting the work, all we can do is give them a clear insight in to the work, and hope that they will learn from the replies or be discouraged by the replies due to comprehending the complexity of the task and the hassle of the regs hoops that need jumping.
sidmus said:
Actually that was me.
I've been following this thread with some interest. It reminds me somewhat of the arguments that raged in electronics magazines in the days before free radio. On the one side were the licensed radio hams. On the other were the proponents of CB radio which existed in the US but not here. The radio hams were obviously intent on protecting their (paid for) rights to the airwaves but none of the technical arguments would hold up.
But I digress. Maybe this is a good time to point out that if you really want to stir things up on this site you have to say the magic word. And the magic word is ---
GAS!
PS: Ian40, you sound very much like myself except for the marine bit. I started out messing around with bulbs and batteries when I was about seven. (I remember using an old car battery and a carbon rod to melt lead.) Over the years I got into electronics, spent some happy years as a lab tech followed by some pretty miserable ones in industry before finally ending up in radiotherapy - though not, I hasten to add, as a patient!
PPS: before anybody asks, I have no electrical qualifications whatsoever but I do have some certificates that say I'm competent to fix linear accelerators. Which reminds me. With all the current interest in CERN, there are no doubt many people out there who would like to build their own atom smashing machine. Since there is no nuclear physics forum on this site, please post your queries in General DIY and I'll see what I can do.
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Its a shame you do NOT have the intelligence to see the errors of your ways and it is not just me that believes this it is the industry itself WITH government backing and it also a real shame you are hiding by NOT providing your address to take responsibilty and prove your competence for the advice you are giving WHAT ARE YOU SOOOOOOOO SCARED OF?
RF do you really consider a complete new domestic install incl a three phase supply a DIY project?could someone tell me why NAPIT ECA JIB etc exist and why the building regs are becoming stricter and why you have to be JIB registered to get on site OR do you think you are above this and therefore better than the majority
LIKE I HAVE SAID IF YOU ARE ALL SO COCK SURE YOUR DOING THE CORRECT THING PROVIDE YOUR ADDRSESSES AND QUALIFICATION AND TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU CANT THEN YOUR FEEBLE ARGUMENTS REALLY AINT WORTH PUTTING FORWARDS
RF do you really consider a complete new domestic install incl a three phase supply a DIY project?could someone tell me why NAPIT ECA JIB etc exist and why the building regs are becoming stricter and why you have to be JIB registered to get on site OR do you think you are above this and therefore better than the majority
LIKE I HAVE SAID IF YOU ARE ALL SO COCK SURE YOUR DOING THE CORRECT THING PROVIDE YOUR ADDRSESSES AND QUALIFICATION AND TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU CANT THEN YOUR FEEBLE ARGUMENTS REALLY AINT WORTH PUTTING FORWARDS
mattylad I am not giving advice to people who are not competent why do I needs to show my qualification I have proved my competence and qualification to the correct authorities who provide that information to anyone I do work for SEE THE DIFFERENCE DINGBAT
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It's a shame that you don't have the intelligence to see that unless you can show that bad advice is being given here you can't justify your request for it to be stopped.
Please provide proof of that.
You mean in the same way that authors and publishers take responsibility for what people do with the advice in their books?
We're all still waiting for you to prove, by reference to bad advice given here, that advice given by people who have not stated their qualifications shouldn't be permitted.
Until you do prove that then just repeating your claim that advice shouldn't be given by people who've not "proved their competence" is going to make you look even more ridiculous than you already do.
You mean in the same way that authors and publishers take responsibility for what people do with the advice in their books?
Please provide evidence of advice given here which is bad because people don't list their qualifications. If you can't then your feeble arguments really aren't worth putting forwards.
So what is the point of your presence on this forum?
You may bleat on all you like about being entitled to your opinion, but if you are never going to give DIYers advice, and if you are always going to be telling those who do that they shouldn't then there is no point to your presence whatsoever. Sooner or later you will leave or be asked to leave, and the longer you persist with your utterly doomed campaign the more it will eat away at you that nobody agrees with you, so for your own peace of mind I suggest you leave now, and never return.
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Or is it Miss Dum? (missing the B)
Sidmus, as a DIYr I have to inform you that the quality of the advice from these guys has been second to none, even though some of it can often be bordering on sarcasm & insulting but ALWAYS generally telling us that if we are not competent enough to do what we ask about then we should engage a competent person to do it (this includes the plumbing section).
As you have been asked repeatedly, I to ask for your response to the question of:
Because I can tell you that they will, I certainly would have done several things that I ought not to were it not for the advice that I have received here from BAS, RF & others.
And please note, that just because someone has obtained qualifications in the electrical trade does not make them competent to actually do the work, which is why many of us DIY'rs will do it ourselves after taking the appropriate advise.
And finally, if you have a problem with a DIYr doing electrical works then I suggest that you are bleating in the wrong place, the place that you need to discuss this issue is with your MP to get the law changed because until it is then I (as a DIYr) will do all my own electrical works. And the quality of the works will IMO be a damn site better than if I employed some cowboy who happened to pass a test. (I can't afford the likes of BAS etc).
(I wont even start on what my qualifications are).
Now either answer the question that you keep dodging around or go away & annoy someone else before you get yet another thread closed as your just acting like a troll.
Here, in case you have forgotten what it was, I'll repeat it for you.
Sidmus, as a DIYr I have to inform you that the quality of the advice from these guys has been second to none, even though some of it can often be bordering on sarcasm & insulting but ALWAYS generally telling us that if we are not competent enough to do what we ask about then we should engage a competent person to do it (this includes the plumbing section).
As you have been asked repeatedly, I to ask for your response to the question of:
Because I can tell you that they will, I certainly would have done several things that I ought not to were it not for the advice that I have received here from BAS, RF & others.
And please note, that just because someone has obtained qualifications in the electrical trade does not make them competent to actually do the work, which is why many of us DIY'rs will do it ourselves after taking the appropriate advise.
And finally, if you have a problem with a DIYr doing electrical works then I suggest that you are bleating in the wrong place, the place that you need to discuss this issue is with your MP to get the law changed because until it is then I (as a DIYr) will do all my own electrical works. And the quality of the works will IMO be a damn site better than if I employed some cowboy who happened to pass a test. (I can't afford the likes of BAS etc).
(I wont even start on what my qualifications are).
Now either answer the question that you keep dodging around or go away & annoy someone else before you get yet another thread closed as your just acting like a troll.
Here, in case you have forgotten what it was, I'll repeat it for you.
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