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....I think Ban has shown himself up a bit.

First, thanks are due because this is the first time ever one of my posts has been locked.

It just so happened that it was locked after Ban hurled some abuse.

Your standards are slipping, Ban. Wasn't it you who said something to the effect of "You can tell when someone is losing an argument because they start throwing abuse around."?

There's enough grief in the world already without feeling the need to abuse each other.
 
Well you should know by now how Ban gets when he has a bee in his bonet, remember the topic about high integeral eathing and how long that when on for. Anyway this latest topic which has locked the member who he was arguing with was egging Ban on.
 
Maybe, but Ban is mature and experienced enough not to rise to it to the point of throwing abuse. There is a better way.
 
It just so happened that it was locked after Ban hurled some abuse.
Abuse?

If you encounter someone who's 7' tall and say "you're tall", is that abuse?


Your standards are slipping, Ban. Wasn't it you who said something to the effect of "You can tell when someone is losing an argument because they start throwing abuse around."?
Possibly. See above re "abuse" though..


Well you should know by now how Ban gets when he has a bee in his bonet, remember the topic about high integeral eathing and how long that when on for.
That only went on because of so many people's inability to understand perfectly plain English.


Anyway this latest topic which has locked the member who he was arguing with was egging Ban on.
So you too think he was behaving like a tw@?
 
Some time people seem hell bent on deliberately causing friction and winding people up.

Yes I know we should act more mature and rise above such silliness, but sometimes it's hard to do.

Some of the bickering is beyond banter and I'm sure it's just down to posters that get off on some sort of weird jolly upsetting others, who normally are just trying to help.

What's more noticeable is that "those types" often having nothing of any value to contribute, and seem in the absence of such feel it is a duty to pick holes or lambaste constructive posts for no other reason than they can.

This site is a help forum and a good place to learn and impart information, those who are here to simply annoy, contradict and post smug remarks should simply melt away.

If the want to stay around, be helpful then good. If all they want to do is attempt to big themselves up, then that tends to suggest that they live shallow, empty lives with no more to entertain them than upsetting others.

In a social meeting environment such people wouldn' make the negative posts they do- a punch in the gob tends to see to that.
 
If you encounter someone who's 7' tall and say "you're tall", is that abuse?
That's pathetic.

If you encounter someone whom you've never met, never seen, never spoken to, and you've never seen any video footage of them mass debating, and you call them a w*nker on an open forum, is that abuse?

Who knows? You decide. :roll:
 
If you encounter someone who's 7' tall and say "you're tall", is that abuse?
That's pathetic.

If you encounter someone whom you've never met, never seen, never spoken to, and you've never seen any video footage of them mass debating, and you call them a w*nker on an open forum, is that abuse?

Who knows? You decide. :roll:

I think he actually called them a Tw@t, however, it has to be said in anyones book that is abusive language, shouldn't really decend to that level. Can't you just agree to disagree on certain things and leave it at. Some members past and present always seem hell bent on trying to persuade cajole or plain bully people to their own point of view. I can't really see the point, if everyone was always of the same opinion, then life would be very boring indeed.
 
If you encounter someone who's 7' tall and say "you're tall", is that abuse?

But that wasn't the case, Ban. If you thought he was pedantic, you should have said so. If you didn't agree with his POV, you should have said so.

But to call him a "tw@" is plain childish. I always thought your vocabulary was above such words. Seems not.
 
But that wasn't the case, Ban. If you thought he was pedantic, you should have said so. If you didn't agree with his POV, you should have said so.
It wasn't that I thought he was pedantic, nor that I disagreed with his POV.

I objected to him behaving like a tw@ in asking for my reasons, ignoring them and asking again, responding with sarcasm, wilfully disregarding my repeated clarification of "new" and adopting illogical and inconsistent positions on the use of materials over a given age just to find something to argue over.

There was clearly no point in trying to engage him in rational debate, as all he wanted to do was to act like a tw@.
 
If you encounter someone who's 7' tall and say "you're tall", is that abuse?
That's pathetic.
Well, you would say that, wouldn't you.


If you encounter someone whom you've never met, never seen, never spoken to, and you've never seen any video footage of them mass debating, and you call them a w*nker on an open forum, is that abuse?
If they clearly behave like one, is it abuse?

At what level of accurate and descriptive condemnation of someones unacceptable behaviour clearly, unambiguously and repeatedly displayed on an open forum do you draw the line?
 
accurate and descriptive condemnation

Your arrogant choice of the word "accurate" illustrates that you thought you were well-justified in using that term of abuse.

I can see that the other poster was causing annoyance.

But with all those countless thousands of words you have in your vocabulary, I can't honestly say that the choice of the word "tw@" was not the best.
 
If you encounter someone who's 7' tall and say "you're tall", is that abuse?
That's pathetic.
Well, you would say that, wouldn't you.
I would say it if it were true, and not say it if it were false.

Please note that I have labelled you as pathetic, either here or anywhere else; I've merely observed that your justification of abuse, and/or denial of it taking place, is pathetic, in the same way that anyone doing the same thing would be behaving in a pathetic way.

Put another way, "pathetic" is the word that accurately describes some of your behaviour. Some other words (that apply to some of your posts that have since been deleted) are bigoted, childish, and self-righteous. I can give clear cases in point, and, in each case, by applying your very own method of observation, logic, and intuitive reasoning, demonstrate beyond the doubt of every reader except yourself that you are capable of being all of those things whilst in the very throes of denying them.

If you encounter someone whom you've never met, never seen, never spoken to, and you've never seen any video footage of them mass debating, and you call them a w*nker on an open forum, is that abuse?
If they clearly behave like one, is it abuse?
The moderators of the site that you appear to so fervently visit appear to view it as abuse. That opinion aside, it's unequivocally unhelpful and unfriendly, which is what most people object to.

At what level of accurate and descriptive condemnation of someones unacceptable behaviour clearly, unambiguously and repeatedly displayed on an open forum do you draw the line?
That's an example of a childish question.

Any civilised adult is capable of drawing the line for themselves, and of accepting the consequences of crossing it, and of doing so without using an irrelevant and distracting ad hominem line of reasoning.

If you find yourself unable to do that, even if only temporarily, then it's time to re-examine whether or not you're capable of acting in civilised way.

If you want to have an objective discussion about what constitutes abuse, then you should start a topic on it, and ask questions, and be prepared to listen to other people's opinions.

However, on the tiny number of posts of yours that I've read, the dominant flavour is that you believe that you know you are correct, and yet you ask questions of people in a manner so as to trap them.

If you believe that your justification for the thing that you call 'being factual' and other people call 'being abusive' is unassailably correct and valid, then even the faintest hint of a question that makes someone else think that you're open to listening to the answer is the kind of dishonesty that you yourself would call "lying"; it's merely a more subtle form.
 
Please note that I have labelled you as pathetic,
Is that not an insult?


I can give clear cases in point, and, in each case, by applying your very own method of observation, logic, and intuitive reasoning, demonstrate beyond the doubt of every reader except yourself that you are capable of being all of those things whilst in the very throes of denying them.
Would that not be insulting?


That's an example of a childish question.
Is that not an insult?


If you want to have an objective discussion about what constitutes abuse, then you should start a topic on it, and ask questions, and be prepared to listen to other people's opinions.
Even those of people whose opinions I consider valueless?

However, on the tiny number of posts of yours that I've read, the dominent flavour is that you believe that you know you are correct,
I always believe I am correct.


and yet you ask questions of people in a manner so as to trap them.
How can people be trapped if they are correct and have a logical and consistent position?


If you believe that your justification for the thing that you call 'being factual' and other people call 'being abusive' is unnassailably correct and valid, then even the faintest hint of a question that makes someone else think that you're open to listening to the answer is the kind of dishonesty that you yourself would call "lying"; it's merely a more subtle form.
I'm always interested in hearing the answers to questions I've asked - you may have noticed that I sometimes repeat them when people fail to answer them.
 
I am objecting to the fact that people think it is perfectly OK to resort to name-calling if they don't agree with what another person is posting.

I can accept

"I think you're being pendantic because....",

but not

"you're a tw@"
 

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