Hi all. Does anyone know of a outdoor type keypad that is compatable with the Yale 6400. The HSA 6080 would be ideal except its not weatherproof and can be removed from its housing. What I really need is its features in a secure, weatherproof housing. Do you think a HSA 3080 would do? Any help appreciated
Yale 6400 outdoor keypad
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You are seriously thinking of putting a key pad which can arm and dis-arm your system on the outside of your building that is being "protected" by the alarm ?
At least with key fobs you have to lose them from your pocket before someone else can find them and then use them to dis-arm the system. Putting a key pad on the wall is offering it to them on a plate.
At least with key fobs you have to lose them from your pocket before someone else can find them and then use them to dis-arm the system. Putting a key pad on the wall is offering it to them on a plate.
There's merit in what you say - with kids that lose keys with ridiculous regularity I thought it may be a simpler option than the expense of a £20 key fob every week or two 
As is usually the case, simpler and cheaper is not usually best.There's merit in what you say - with kids that lose keys with ridiculous regularity I thought it may be a simpler option than the expense of a £20 key fob every week or two
Don't you think others would have gone that route if it was?
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Function first, cost second.
Looking at the design of some low cost "alarm" systems some manufacturers do seem to have gone almost that way.
If I had this problem I would have a numeric key pad outside feeding a decoder on the inside. Enter the correct PIN and the decoder dis-arms the system by a contact closure that "presses" the dis-arm button on the alarms key pad ( the contact is wired to the PCB in the alarm's key pad ).
The decoder has to be inside otherwise the contact closure can be falsified.
Of course the PIN has to be protected and not lost as the key fobs are.
yes, your house fits the bill, with an HSA6080. Put the pad indoors, out of sight, near the door that people will be coming in through after they have opened the door using their key, for example screwed to the inside face of the door to the under-stairs cupboard. You can set the door sensor as "entry" meaning they have 30 seconds (or whatever) after getting in, to disarm it.
I am very much in favour of having the 6400 control panel well away from points of entry, and out of sight, tp prevent anyone attacking it before it has time to alarm and phone out. The keypad near the door will give the convenience you need.
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Try a real alarm system with fobs and or radio to arm/disarm.
To have an item that can arm and disarm outside of the protected area is a folly to say the least.
Would you leave your spare car key in the exhaust pipe?
To have an item that can arm and disarm outside of the protected area is a folly to say the least.
Would you leave your spare car key in the exhaust pipe?
Thanks all, especially the useful and constuctive comments from Bernard and John. I take all these points on-board.
Finally, I find this forum to be an excellent resource for both offering and receiving useful and pertinent information about specific issues everyday folk have. My main problem however is the amount of so-called 'pro's' who want to stick their two-pence worth in and either slag off the item the OP has, saying "buy a real one" or "move house" WF planet are they on? Do you really think people come on here to look at crass comments, or to find a solution to their problems.
Again, a big thanks to all the genuine folk who reply with constructive and useful posts.
Finally, I find this forum to be an excellent resource for both offering and receiving useful and pertinent information about specific issues everyday folk have. My main problem however is the amount of so-called 'pro's' who want to stick their two-pence worth in and either slag off the item the OP has, saying "buy a real one" or "move house" WF planet are they on? Do you really think people come on here to look at crass comments, or to find a solution to their problems.
Again, a big thanks to all the genuine folk who reply with constructive and useful posts.
12 years of my career was spent designing safety critical systems that, due to the equipment and people being mobile, had to use wireless communication. That provided the knowledge and experience for me to see the short comings of the wireless communications that are used in alarm systems that are on the market for DIY installation.
They work in that they do ( most of the time ) what the box says they will do but that is only possible in ideal conditions. The problem arise when the conditions are not ideal for the communication protocols in use in these systems. Unfortunately the DIY installer does not have the necessary equipment to check how ideal or bad the conditions are. The biggest problem is radio frequency energy transmitted from other equipment ranging from other alarms systems to the spurious radiation from dimmers and/or electronic "transformer" used in domestic lighting
The true professionals on this forum are aware of these problems and mention them rather than allow the DIYer to assume that the alarm will be 100% reliable all the time.
Edited to make it a bit clearer
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skyboy
Hi , There is not a compatible outdoor keypad I am afraid.
The 6080 is not weatherproof as you say.
However there is not a problem security wise with the keypad being outside as unless the person knows the code they could not disarm the alarm. Enter too many wrong codes and the control panel locks out.
It would though be hypotheticallypossible for them to by design or sheer luck put the correct code in and your alarm would be disarmed.
You could build a box on the wall giving the keypad shelter from the elements but as you say someone could then remove it.
keypad inside your entry door as JohnD says.
The 6080 is not weatherproof as you say.
However there is not a problem security wise with the keypad being outside as unless the person knows the code they could not disarm the alarm. Enter too many wrong codes and the control panel locks out.
It would though be hypotheticallypossible for them to by design or sheer luck put the correct code in and your alarm would be disarmed.
You could build a box on the wall giving the keypad shelter from the elements but as you say someone could then remove it.
keypad inside your entry door as JohnD says.
Could/would/might etc. all irrelevant really.
Better to do the job right in the first place.
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AssociatedAlarms
Example.
Keypad outside of protected area. It is vandalised and or removed, End of security.
That is of course if the system sees the missing item, which it would not in this case.
So now you have a "run away system"
Not very intelligent is it.
JD and Skylad. Why do you maintain a deficient item is a viable product?
Keveljay, you asked a question and it was answered, What is the issue? Your request is incorrect for a security system.
Keypad outside of protected area. It is vandalised and or removed, End of security.
That is of course if the system sees the missing item, which it would not in this case.
So now you have a "run away system"
Not very intelligent is it.
JD and Skylad. Why do you maintain a deficient item is a viable product?
Keveljay, you asked a question and it was answered, What is the issue? Your request is incorrect for a security system.
Why would you agree with a very bad idea?
Why would you want a keypad outside that anyone could tamper with? There is a way that you could possibly get the code without the panel locking out.
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It would be totally possible, hence the lack of keypads for alarm systems sited OUT OF THE PROTECTED AREA. Standard keypads can be easily compromised. Hence specialist ones for higher security when mounted externally for access control.
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