need a quick look in and approval to planned worked

[silverfox0786]

im just going by what i was told, seeing as you are a member of teh scheme is that £3k got anything to do with the fees involved in becomming a competent person

It cost me £444 for yearly renewal, I calculate that cost in to my quotes over the year.

either way for me its all in the charge im paying the sparkys

Is this including the work being carried out or just for the notification and documents?

just annoying these things get told to me after the work has started

If I understand what you have said, it's more than annoying. They are having you over!

looks like he is telling me fibs, prob to make it look as if he is paying loads to do my job and make him look like a saint in regards to the price he quoted me

im paying £2200 for a complete rewire and new RCD and all parts, labour, and NICEIC Certificate at the end the only thing not included was replaster of the chased walls and the floor boards where already lifted up so they didnt need to cut floorboards and lift them up.

this is the original scedule i gave them that they quoted me on with a few additions added after wards and kept in the price no additional cost to me. for example i added the garage and loft into it and the RCD had to be moved from original location and tails moved all that was included in £2200



Living Room:
4x 2 Gang Switched Socket
2x Simple Light Fittings
Double Light Switch
Kitchen:
3x 13 Amp 1 Gang Double Pole Switch Socket (Gas Hob Ignition, Fridge, Washing Machine)
3x 1 Gang 13A Switched Fused Spur (Gas Hob Ignition, Fridge, and Washing Machine)
2x 2 Gang Switched Socket
Cooker Control 45A with Neon & Socket (For Electric Oven)
Un-Switched Connection Unit (Spur) 13A (For Electric Oven)
Kitchen Extractor Fan
Switched Connection Unit (Spur) 13A (For Kitchen Extractor)
28 Watt 2D IP Rated Light Fitting
Quad Light Switch (Kitchen, Conservatory, PIR, Garage)
Conservatory:
28 Watt 2D IP Rated Light Fitting
2 Gang Switched Outdoor Socket
PIR Light 500 Watt
Garage Joined to House:
28 Watt 2D IP Rated Light Fitting
2 Gang Switched Outdoor Socket
Downstairs Hallway:
2 Gang Switched Socket
Fire Alarm
Simple Light Fitting
PIR Light 100/150 Watt
Triple Light Switch (Up, Down, PIR)
2x 1 Gang 13A Switched Fused Spur (Boiler, Bathroom Extractor Fan)
Downstairs Bathroom:
16 Watt 2D IP Rated Light Fitting
Low Voltage Extractor Fan
Pull Cord Light Switch
Upstairs Hallway:
Simple Light Fitting
Single Light Switch
2 Gang Switched Socket
Fire Alarm
1 Gang 13A Switched Fused Spur (Bathroom Extractor Fan)
Upstairs Bathroom:
16 Watt 2D IP Rated Light Fitting
Low Voltage Extractor Fan
Pull Cord Light Switch
Master Bedroom:
2x 2 Gang Switched Socket
Simple Light Fitting
Single Light Switch
Second Bedroom:
2x 2 Gang Switched Socket
Simple Light Fitting
Single Light Switch
Box Bedroom:
2x 2 Gang Switched Socket
Simple Light Fitting
Single Light Switch

10 Gang RCD Unit:--
Cooker on own
Upstairs Lights
Upstairs Sockets
Downstairs Lights
Downstairs Sockets
Any others that need separate switch we will discuss before works starts

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Not gone over the spec with a fine tooth comb.
But you say new RCD, do you mean RCD protected consumer unit?
I would suggest at least two RCDs are integral of new CU.
Outside sockets are these actually outdoor? if not why are they outdoor sockets? Is they are you need some form of double pole isolation between them and the main house. If not on separate circuit. That would also go for any outside lighting.
Also suggest that boiler is either installed in a method that does not require RCD protection and can be installed within CU omitting the RCD connection or on it's own RCBO.

If your paying £2200 for complete update, seems fair!

 

[silverfox0786]

Not gone over the spec with a fine tooth comb.
But you say new RCD, do you mean RCD protected consumer unit?
I would suggest at least two RCDs are integral of new CU.
Outside sockets are these actually outdoor? if not why are they outdoor sockets? Is they are you need some form of double pole isolation between them and the main house. If not on separate circuit. That would also go for any outside lighting.
Also suggest that boiler is either installed in a method that does not require RCD protection and can be installed within CU omitting the RCD connection or on it's own RCBO.

If your paying £2200 for complete update, seems fair!

Sorry i ment to say 10 WAY CU with RCDs/MCBs

originally i suggested to sparky to put boiler on own and he said not needed just put on its own spur from downstairs ring

the garden plugs was me being paranoid but again that was scrapped for normal ones

i havnt updated the list from what i originally wrote

outside lights are still not done yet so im not sure if they going on own RCD spur or integrated to downstairs ring still need to speak to him once he gets round to doing it

yes i agree i thought price was fair but the lenght of time and surprises being thrown at me im just getting worn out by it

i even gave them the keys to the house and said just get on with it i cant keep comming down every day as i have a social life too (they origianlly said 3 weeks to me its been over 6)

Please bear with my termanology im not a sparky so im not clued up with whats what but in my head know what im talking about LOL

complete update is a very light word i would say complete rewire. well truth is everything was fine, the house got robbed and as it was a rental property it was empty from last tenants and all that they could take was rip up the floor cut the copper pipes and cabling and take the CH Rads

damn cost me dearly, now and alarm and CCTV is installed

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The old goats still refer to it as zone 3. It still is the same thing as dimensions and area sizes not changed just the name

If you really do want to refer to what is now outside Zone 2 as Zone 3, then I think you'll find the dimensions and area have changed - it is now infinite.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Sorry i ment to say 10 WAY CU with RcDs/MCBs

The minimum I would expect is a dual RCD

originally i suggested to sparky to put boiler on own and he said not needed just put on its own spur from downstairs ring

There is no requirement to have the boiler on it's own circuit and taken the FCU from the ring final circuit is acceptable. But as this is a complete rewire, I personally would and do install the boiler circuit independently.
Either by excluding RCD protection or by RCBO, this is so regardless of any faults occurring on any other circuits, the boiler circuit will not be affected.
So also ways got the facility for central heating and hot water.

outside lights are still not done yet so im not sure if they going on own RCD spur or integrated to downstairs ring still need to speak to him once he gets round to doing it

Ideally with outside connection, it would be wise to have them either supplied independent of main house circuits or use double isolators/Switched FCU, this means if a fault occurs externally they can be isolated without power loss to internal circuits.

yes i agree i thought price was fair but the lenght of time and surprises being thrown at me im just getting worn out by it

i even gave them the keys to the house and said just get on with it i cant keep comming down every day as i have a social life too (they origianlly said 3 weeks to me its been over 6)

Did you get a written and signed contract?

Please bear with my termanology im not a sparky so im not clued up with whats what but in my head know what im talking about LOL

We have all been there in one way our another

complete update is a very light word i would say complete rewire.

tomato tomatoe

well truth is everything was fine, the house got robbed and as it was a rental property it was empty from last tenants and all that they could take was rip up the floor cut the copper pipes and cabling and take the CH Rads
,damn cost me dearly

That really is tough pal, unfortunately we live in a time where that shyt happens but jack gets done about it!

NB: No smoke alarms?

 

[silverfox0786]

Sorry i ment to say 10 WAY CU with RcDs/MCBs

The minimum I would expect is a dual RCD

originally i suggested to sparky to put boiler on own and he said not needed just put on its own spur from downstairs ring

There is no requirement to have the boiler on it's own circuit and taken the FCU from the ring final circuit is acceptable. But as this is a complete rewire, I personally would and do install the boiler circuit independently.
Either by excluding RCD protection or by RCBO, this is so regardless of any faults occurring on any other circuits, the boiler circuit will not be affected.
So also ways got the facility for central heating and hot water.

outside lights are still not done yet so im not sure if they going on own RCD spur or integrated to downstairs ring still need to speak to him once he gets round to doing it

Ideally with outside connection, it would be wise to have them either supplied independent of main house circuits or use double isolators/Switched FCU, this means if a fault occurs externally they can be isolated without power loss to internal circuits.

yes i agree i thought price was fair but the lenght of time and surprises being thrown at me im just getting worn out by it

i even gave them the keys to the house and said just get on with it i cant keep comming down every day as i have a social life too (they origianlly said 3 weeks to me its been over 6)

Did you get a written and signed contract?

Please bear with my termanology im not a sparky so im not clued up with whats what but in my head know what im talking about LOL

We have all been there in one way our another

complete update is a very light word i would say complete rewire.

tomato tomatoe

well truth is everything was fine, the house got robbed and as it was a rental property it was empty from last tenants and all that they could take was rip up the floor cut the copper pipes and cabling and take the CH Rads
,damn cost me dearly

That really is tough pal, unfortunately we live in a time where that shyt happens but jack gets done about it!

NB: No smoke alarms?

im assuming its a dual RCD he said he got me the better expensive one and not being a sparky i dont know which is which and took his word for iti will take a pic of it when im at the house next

thats the funny thing about contracts i said i want a written scedule signed before work begins and they agreed then kept putting it off making excuses

one thing i was adament about is the certificate i will not pay till thats issued and seeing as someone else is issuing it i said you get it issued and keep it then i will finalise payment and you can hand it to me. i wont pay and wait on a certificate as i been scrwed on that front many times where i payed and the trademan has stopped answering my calls when i wanted the cert or the usermanual stamped.

the fire alarms are there. i asked for them to be on own ring aswell but the sparky suggested to put on downstiars light ring and he will wire them up so the both trigger so if downstairs trips the upstairs will sound aswell and vice versa

if its not too late i think i will get him to connect the 4 remaining points on CU for outside lights, fire alarms and boiler (shall i have front and back outside light on 1 switch or have them seperate as i will stil have one spare)

 

[Chri5]

It sounds as if the sparky isn't doing a bad boy on you, but I do get the feeling he has taken on maybe more than he normally does, or he finds you hard to work with or your natural distrust (given previous experiences) has all been thrown in to the mixer and you have what you have.

Although I can see and accept you holding final payments I hope you are not loading extras on a no charge basis or being unreasonable should you have made amendments, had changes, delays and stuff that isn't his problem.

There is issue, and him not being able to push the cert or have direct scheme membership raises questions.

In London I know of quite a few domestic spark teams who having worked 20 years and really know their jobs. The choose not to register and have a pt employee who is.

It seems a way round scheme membership. A scheme member that works for himself and also does side jobs for people like you have used.

I wonder if the scheme have ever thought to query a member that issues 200 full rewire EICs a year.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

200 a year?

Normal run-rate for Mr Electric franchisees doing housing association or council work, surely?

 

[silverfox0786]

It sounds as if the sparky isn't doing a bad boy on you, but I do get the feeling he has taken on maybe more than he normally does, or he finds you hard to work with or your natural distrust (given previous experiences) has all been thrown in to the mixer and you have what you have.

im the worlds most passive person when it comes to work. i was unaware that the sparky is not full time and has a day job and was accomodating when he told me days that he works he wont be at my place working, then he went to an evening job and fell through the celing (what he tells me) anbd did his back in so he was not working for a week. and so on and so forth i keep getting these excuses why they not at the house working. another thing we agreed on was DAY 1 i will point out everywhere where sockets, switches and lights would go and thats it no changing mind and i kept to that.

Although I can see and accept you holding final payments I hope you are not loading extras on a no charge basis or being unreasonable should you have made amendments, had changes, delays and stuff that isn't his problem.

the adding on i only added on the loft and said only if its not inconvinient to do otherwise leave it out. dont get me wrong they are nice enough guys just taking the ****, the delays are all about them not turning up not once have they said that this was unexpected and will take longer, even to teh point it was there own delay for moving the tails, because he needed the other guy to do it and couldnt do it him self which he didnt tell me in teh begining the other guy wasnt comming out and kept making excuses to them and in turn they where making them to me. and even then he said he spent £700 on the materials and could he have £500 and i payed him there and then and asked if he could sign a recipt of part payment recived.

There is issue, and him not being able to push the cert or have direct scheme membership raises questions.

In London I know of quite a few domestic spark teams who having worked 20 years and really know their jobs. The choose not to register and have a pt employee who is.

It seems a way round scheme membership. A scheme member that works for himself and also does side jobs for people like you have used.

I wonder if the scheme have ever thought to query a member that issues 200 full rewire EICs a year.

i think you hit the nail on the head there no pun intended, and thats the other reason im annoyed as all this information came out to me after 1 3rd of the work was done.

but even then he rang me yesterday and i said to him if your not turning up then please call or text me and say i wont bite your head off i just want to know and be in the clue rather than expect you and dont turn up

and even then he said i will call you with a day we are comming and no date is given when they comming to finish the job. they said prob monday but not confirmed

 

[silverfox0786]

200 a year?

Normal run-rate for Mr Electric franchisees doing housing association or council work, surely?

agreed but for a sole trader on his own its questionable

 

[securespark]

Zone 3 sadly departed us in 2008

He had a good life.

 

[JohnW2]

Zone 3 sadly departed us in 2008

He had a good life.

Indeed so. However, although dead, he is perhaps not entirely 'gone' - since his ghost lingers on in the guise of the 3m restriction on sockets!

Kind Regards, John