9600 WATT shower - I want to have 2 fitted & advice need

There is no real black and white in these situations as each one is unique. ... The capacity of any network is not unlimited and if a free for all developed there is a very high risk of loss of supply or interference with supply quality to other customers. ... The other use the add load system provides is that we often visit site to check the cut-out and main fuse size, often these get changed if they are a 60A.
Yes, I understand that. The point which I keep making is that it is difficult (sometimes impossible) for customers to comply with the (seemingly 'unwritten') apparent 'requirements' of T&Cs as regards contacting the DNO if they propose to add loads unless they have some guidance as to what those requirements actually are!

Kind Regards, John
 
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Indeed. However, isn't the issue (from their viewpoint) that DNOs have to take a wider view than just at the level of a single installation. Even if the supply to the installation is adequate for the loads the consumer wishes to connect, that could have wider implications for the network (e.g. neighbours).
That's true but why fit supplies with higher than allowed capacity.

If the total supply is only capable of 80A to everyone then why not fit 80A fuses to all then people would think they had to limit there requirements to that amount.

As I've said before, the thing I find most astonishing is that the 'limit of permitted demand' appears to be an essentially 'unwritten' one - so, as I've said before, the situation is akin to having a speed limit sign which just says 'Speed Limit'!
I think the analogy would only fit if everyone were issued with a Ferrari whether it was wanted or not.
 
Indeed. However, isn't the issue (from their viewpoint) that DNOs have to take a wider view than just at the level of a single installation. Even if the supply to the installation is adequate for the loads the consumer wishes to connect, that could have wider implications for the network (e.g. neighbours).
That's true but why fit supplies with higher than allowed capacity. If the total supply is only capable of 80A to everyone then why not fit 80A fuses to all then people would think they had to limit there requirements to that amount.
The problem is all to do with probabilistic concepts such as diversity and load-sharing/spreading etc., isn't it? What matters to the DNO, network-wise, is the average demand per installation (which equates to the total demand for N installations). I don't think even the DNOs would suggest that anything about their rules prevents a customer using, say 80A, at a single point in time, provided that their average demand over some period of time is below their ('unstated') limit. However, they design their networks on the basis of their estimate of 'average demand per installation', and if the amount of installed fixed equipment suggests that a particular installation is likely to have an average above that figure, it can throw things out for them.
As I've said before, the thing I find most astonishing is that the 'limit of permitted demand' appears to be an essentially 'unwritten' one - so, as I've said before, the situation is akin to having a speed limit sign which just says 'Speed Limit'!
I think the analogy would only fit if everyone were issued with a Ferrari whether it was wanted or not.
In terms of the supply situation, that would be true - but I was talking about expecting people to comply with a rule/regulation/law without telling them what it was! The speed limit people could easily invoke a simiar "it depends, so we can't give a fixed figure" argument (since the safe speed would depend on road/weather conditions, time of day etc.) as do the DNOs (well, westie!). So they could erect signs which said 'Speed Limit', and then prosecute someone for travelling at, say 48mph, because they had (unbeknown to the driver) deemed that, in the particular circumstances, the speed limit was 43mph!

Kind Regards, John
 
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Thanks for the replies to my post - I have a GAS HOB and an Electric Oven, but it's one of those modern low power types that plugs into to a socket outlet with 13AMP fuse fitted. I've still got to get in the loft to find any details on the small immersion heater up there, I have a modern GAS Boiler fitted.

So, it looks like i will have to leave it to the Electrician to let me know if it can be done or not. Only wanted the Electric option as i really like the showers i've seen.
 
Also ... am i correct in stating that Modern Electric Showers do not operate at full Power all the time whilst in use?
 
So, it looks like i will have to leave it to the Electrician to let me know if it can be done or not. Only wanted the Electric option as i really like the showers i've seen.
Amidst some of the potentially confusing discussion above, I personally don't think there is any doubt that your electricity supplier would expect/require you to seek their permission to install 2 x 9.6kW new loads.

Kind Regards, John
 
Also ... am i correct in stating that Modern Electric Showers do not operate at full Power all the time whilst in use?
If you turn the temperature down then maybe it will not be taking its full rated power.

A better option for teenagers is to have an immersion heated tank, that way the length of shower is limited to one tank full before they have to wait for the tank to heat up again. It will still use about the same amount of power over all but instead of 9 kilowatts for 15 minutes ( while the shower is being used ) it could be 3 kilowatts for 45 minute before the shower is used.

3 kilowatts for 45 minutes is less strain on the system than 9 kilowatts for 15 minutes.
 
A better option for teenagers is to have an immersion heated tank, that way the length of shower is limited to one tank full before they have to wait for the tank to heat up again.
I think that'sone of the reasons why families with more than one teenager (or older equivalent!) often go for electric showers :) Also,it would have to be a pretty small tank to heat up in 45 mins with a 3kW immersion.

Kind Regards, John
 
My supply Fuse is 100 AMP, my Consumer unit has a 100A rated Main DP switch, my supply cable is 25mm SQ. I have this info from my install certificate.
Might be worth point out at this pointing out that I have an inspection cert for my house which states the main supply (or whatever the field is) as 100A, which the cuttout housing and main switch etc are, however the cutout fuse is labeled at 60amp. All by it with a slightly curling label.

Im sure a 9kw shower gives a good shower, but as a kid growing up with a stored hot water cylinder (large night storage tank) I think it was good learning curve that if everyone hogged the water some people got cold. If it was you parents you got advised not to do it again, if it was your younger siblings you could be very sure that next time they where up before you that you would be showering in a cold shower!


Daniel
 
I'm sure that the Main Fuse is 100A as i was told by the previous owner that all this was upgraded when the house was rewired a couple of years back, the electric supplier installed a new meter, board & Fuse. The Meter and Fuse side of things all look quite new and it states 100A on the Certificate and on the outside of the Fuse holder.
 
So the "modern gas boiler" is it a combi or does the hw get stored in a tank?
 
Boiler heats the Rads, the Water is heated by the Immersion, all the plumbing is linked in somehow - it was explained by the previous owner. But only a small Hot tank (like the size used for hot water in a Canteen or such like - not very big comapred to the big copper tank i had in my old house).
 

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