Positive Discrimination - Positive Action

[Norcon]

It's called genetics. Blacks and Whites are different in many ways but this is a good example. Most White men eventually get married, have kids, etc.. that is their GOAL. Not with black guys. They want to impregnate as many women as possible. That is their GOAL.

Whites and blacks do not share the same cultures, values, etc... it's no surprise that so many ****as fail.

I am just picking this one out as an example of the lack of critical reasoning that racists have.

This issue is a complex mix of economics, social factors and individual choices.

Are you saying that all young white males stick with their partners and children?

If We find one that one doesn't , will you claim that it is genetic in that case?

Dear me.....

Well you do get plenty of white in colour male chavs leaving their chav partners to look after a horde of children but like blacks I wouldn't want them living near me either. Doesn't stop the above statement being fact.
Most of the white chavs are black.
Get over it.

 

[Big Tone]

Well you do get plenty of white male chavs leaving their chav partners to look after a horde of children but like blacks I wouldn't want them living near me either.

I don't want anyone by me, ideally, because I don't like people around me 24/7. But why do you pick out "blacks" in your sentence as you have?

RH could, quite rightly, say that is or you are racist; or at least that it is a racist comment.

 

[Norcon]

If people move into my neighbourhood I'd prefer them to be white and speak the same lingo.
Couldn't give a damn if that makes me a racist or not.

 

[Big Tone]

Oh, well that's cleared that up.

See, I've had neighbours from hell and seven shades of sh1t in my life, at home and in work. Personal observation again: The most grief I have had has been from white British scum. It's not exclusive, I know, but that's how it's been in my life.

Said it before but I don't mind who my neighbour is so long as they are respectful decent folk.

 

[Norcon]

Oh, well that's cleared that up.

See, I've had neighbours from hell and seven shades of s**t in my life, at home and in work. Personal observation again: The most grief I have had has been from white British scum. It's not exclusive, I know, but that's how it's been in my life.

Said it before but I don't mind who my neighbour is so long as they are respectful decent folk.

"white British scum"?
Strong term. Enough to make me believe your embittered and racist against your host nation!

 

[Big Tone]

Personal observation; I wouldn't read too much into it. I used the word "exclusively" for the very reason it's my personal experience and that of some others around me, not that all British whites are scum. I don't mind generalisations but no race are all one thing or all exhibit the same attitude thank goodness.

Have you had a bad experience from someone of colour dude or observed a colour trait?

 

[JBR]

I see racism in discussions like these. If I stated that most kiddie fiddlers are white males I'd be stating a fact and no one would complain that I'm racist. If someone states another statistic involving blacks in not such a good light the do gooders get a right huff on and call you racist. Why??

All races have their faults.
All races have their good points.

Unfortunately, for some reason it is not acceptable to point some of these out. There are those who would have us believe that we are all the same. A ridiculous suggestion.

This is why I am always careful to explain my belief that we should all have equal opportunities, rather than to suggest we are all equal. We are not and never will be: we are all different.

Ok, after my near heart attack I think I can post again.

There are differences, but do those differences mean one is superior or just different? And, does any difference mean that one is superior over the other?

Is one stronger? I have followed the Super heavyweight at the Olympics back to a hero of mine from Russia called Vasily Alexiev from circa 74. (All white). Same in my example of cycling. But go down a weigh and some here may remember Precious McEnsy. (Excuse my spelling). I think he could lift something like 3 times his own body weight!

More intelligent? No evidence to suggest either way?

Even if, big IF, one race is superior, (again what ever that means), is that any reason to be disrespectful or unloving towards them or vice versa?

Right can of worms been opened here...

Did the word 'superior' cross my lips?

 

[JBR]

I see racism in discussions like these. If I stated that most kiddie fiddlers are white males I'd be stating a fact and no one would complain that I'm racist. If someone states another statistic involving blacks in not such a good light the do gooders get a right huff on and call you racist. Why??

All races have their faults.
All races have their good points.

Unfortunately, for some reason it is not acceptable to point some of these out. There are those who would have us believe that we are all the same. A ridiculous suggestion.

This is why I am always careful to explain my belief that we should all have equal opportunities, rather than to suggest we are all equal. We are not and never will be: we are all different.

I'm
Okay with that to a point JBR. But then you get into the realms of feeling superior over someone with a disability or gender difference. And before you know it, we're back in the dark ages.

Did the word 'superior' cross my lips?

I said 'different' and different races are different in some ways. An example was already pointed out by someone earlier: that the best runners are black men. Surely, doesn't that makes them superior to other races?

 

[joe-90]

Personal observation; I wouldn't read too much into it. I used the word "exclusively" for the very reason it's my personal experience and that of some others around me, not that all British whites are scum. I don't mind generalisations but no race are all one thing or all exhibit the same attitude thank goodness.

Have you had a bad experience from someone of colour dude or observed a colour trait?

I've been bitten by three dogs in my life - all black. I don't like black dogs after those experiences. Am I racist because I don't like black dogs?

 

[JBR]

I would say we are all different but all are 'equal'.

In my context 'equal' does not mean being the 'same', but it means sharing the same respect, rights , responsibilities and opportunities .

Doesn't that depend on how you define the word 'equal'?

If Dave Cameron and I were equal, I'd have lots of money, big houses and flash cars.

No, I maintain that I'm superior to Dave.

Seriously, though, I agree that we should all have the same respect, rights, responsibilities and opportunities. Doesn't that condemn the idea of positive discrimination?

 

[Norcon]

Personal observation; I wouldn't read too much into it. I used the word "exclusively" for the very reason it's my personal experience and that of some others around me, not that all British whites are scum. I don't mind generalisations but no race are all one thing or all exhibit the same attitude thank goodness.

Have you had a bad experience from someone of colour dude or observed a colour trait?

You can't expect to come to this country and not get some flak because your coloured.
Get over it.
If you don't like it go back to your home country.

 

[JBR]

Personal observation; I wouldn't read too much into it. I used the word "exclusively" for the very reason it's my personal experience and that of some others around me, not that all British whites are scum. I don't mind generalisations but no race are all one thing or all exhibit the same attitude thank goodness.

Have you had a bad experience from someone of colour dude or observed a colour trait?

I've been bitten by three dogs in my life - all black. I don't like black dogs after those experiences. Am I racist because I don't like black dogs?

I don't like dogs full stop. Dirty slobbering things, pooing all over the pavement.

Well, I suppose I'm just a doggist.

 

[LastMagicBean]

"white British scum"?
Strong term. Enough to make me believe your embittered and racist against your host nation!

Personal observation; I wouldn't read too much into it. I used the word "exclusively" for the very reason it's my personal experience and that of some others around me, not that all British whites are scum. I don't mind generalisations but no race are all one thing or all exhibit the same attitude thank goodness.

F*ck me, I've seen some body-swerves in my time, but this deserves another look.

 

[Norcon]

herring must be preparing a 30 page essay at this stage.

 

[RogueHanger]

What I have just seen in an interview from a woman Liberal MP puts it very well. (I wish I’d thought of it). Although she is talking about gender it applies equally here. (I’ll have to re-find the link again later when this crap laptop behaves)./.....

She disagrees with positive discrimination saying that it should be Positive Action instead. /.........

So how about it, Positive Action. Sounds better and certainly much fairer to me.

In recruitment, equality law allows positive action before or at the application stage. At this stage, the steps could include encouraging particular groups to apply, or helping people with particular protected characteristics to perform to the best of their ability (for example, by giving them training or support not available to other applicants).
An example of when an employer might decide to take positive action is if they find that the make up of their workforce is different from the make up of their local population, so they decide to encourage people who share particular under-represented protected characteristics to apply for vacancies.

This is not the same as ‘positive discrimination’ or ‘affirmative action’ which equality law does not allow.

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...ment/positive-action-and-recruitment/[/QUOTE]

Interesting, something which I need to read up on.

waits for brickbats, etc, etc.........

But at least I have the honesty to share the infomation when I discover that I may be mistaken, either in the description, the concept, or the small print of the action.

It also exposed the attitudes of some posters.