Registered electrician advice please

[NullCipher]

Are they notifying the work, are they issuing electrical installation certificates?
If they are not notifying new circuits they are not complying to part p, if they are not protecting by RCD, new sockets and newly buried cable they are not complying to BS7671 (wiring regs) and likely to be contravening part p also and if they are not issuing certs and proving what they have done is safe, again contravening part p. So they are breaking the law!

And you don't need a new board, if what you have pictured is true of your installation, so they are also telling you untruths!

Spoke to the sparkies again and they've said that if I can find an RCBO to fit my board, then they can do it. They had a hard time finding a MCB for our board, hence the reason for a whole new board.

What do I need to look for in terms of an RCBO to match my board. If I know what I'm looking for, I might be able to find one.

I'll try and find a better picture tonight, but this is our CU

 

[bubachuba]

What do I need to look for in terms of an RCBO to match my board. If I know what I'm looking for, I might be able to find one

If you call the board manufacturer (which you mention is wylex) they will ask you for the breaker details and who has stock of the RCBO equivelent in your area. Its likely to be TLC or Wilkinson which are open to the public. I am amazed the sparks are asking you to do all this to be honest!

 

[EFLImpudence]

It was 6A for lighting circuit, wasn't it? Others available, of course.
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https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WYNHXSBS6B.html

 

[NullCipher]

It was 6A for lighting circuit, wasn't it? Others available, of course.
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https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WYNHXSBS6B.html

Thanks, i'll take a look at the board tonight. I didn't mention it was Wylex previously, but will confirm later

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I am amazed the sparks are asking you to do all this to be honest!

Given their performance so far, I'm not.

They are a bunch of rip-off merchants, who are going to do as much as they can to stop the OP from keeping his existing CU. Next thing, I expect, will be for them to refuse any warranty because of fitting a customer-supplied part. Evo - I strongly advise getting them to supply the part. If it's readily available then they cannot refuse. Have you paid them anything yet?

 

[NullCipher]

I am amazed the sparks are asking you to do all this to be honest!

Given their performance so far, I'm not.

They are a bunch of rip-off merchants, who are going to do as much as they can to stop the OP from keeping his existing CU. Next thing, I expect, will be for them to refuse any warranty because of fitting a customer-supplied part. Evo - I strongly advise getting them to supply the part. If it's readily available then they cannot refuse. Have you paid them anything yet?

We've paid half. First fix was about 7 months prior to 2nd fix due to a long term project.

 

[PBC_1966]

if they are not protecting by RCD, new sockets and newly buried cable they are not complying to BS7671 (wiring regs) and likely to be contravening part p also and if they are not issuing certs and proving what they have done is safe, again contravening part p. So they are breaking the law!

As there is no requirement to comply with BS7671, you can't really say that not doing so is breaking the law, although BS7671 compliance is probably a condition of their scheme membership.

However, if they are trying to insist that the board must be replaced in order to comply with Part P, then I would say that's attempted fraud, which most definitely is against the law.

 

[bubachuba]

Given their performance so far, I'm not.

true!

Evo - I strongly advise getting them to supply the part. If it's readily available then they cannot refuse. Have you paid them anything yet?

Good call. I am sure trading standards also take a different view when customers buy their own parts, i.e tuff if there are problems in the future.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

We've paid half. First fix was about 7 months prior to 2nd fix due to a long term project.

Time to tell them that they won't see a penny more unless they supply and fit an RCBO, and unless they confirm that they will issue the EIC, and will notify the work so that you get your Building Regulations certificate, without trying to charge you extra.

 

[NullCipher]

We've paid half. First fix was about 7 months prior to 2nd fix due to a long term project.

Time to tell them that they won't see a penny more unless they supply and fit an RCBO, and unless they confirm that they will issue the EIC, and will notify the work so that you get your Building Regulations certificate, without trying to charge you extra.

What's the difference here between Building Regulations certificate and the Part P sign off. The council have said that I need Part P paper work before they can sign off my building control application as complete.

 

[bubachuba]

What's the difference here between Building Regulations certificate and the Part P sign off. The council have said that I need Part P paper work before they can sign off my building control application as complete.

its really just the name of the process. your electrician will complete the necessary details online via their scheme provider which goes to the local authority who provide the paperwork through the post.

 

[NullCipher]

What's the difference here between Building Regulations certificate and the Part P sign off. The council have said that I need Part P paper work before they can sign off my building control application as complete.

its really just the name of the process. your electrician will complete the necessary details online via their scheme provider which goes to the local authority who provide the paperwork through the post.

So if I asked them to give me the installation paperwork and then forget about the Part P, I could call the council in X days and they'll tell me they've had sign off from NICEIC and it's all done.
What's all this Part P nonsense that I have to provide the council then if an electrician has to do it anyway?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

There will be one certificate from Building Control to say that your extension, or whatever it was, complied with the Building Regulations. Some of the compliance issues they will have inspected themselves, and for the others they will be relying on people certifying to them that their work complied. The electrical work is one of those others.

 

[NullCipher]

There will be one certificate from Building Control to say that your extension, or whatever it was, complied with the Building Regulations. Some of the compliance issues they will have inspected themselves, and for the others they will be relying on people certifying to them that their work complied. The electrical work is one of those others.

OK thanks.

Long story short:

• We were removing a wall and got Company A to remove 3 plugs that were on the wall in the kitchen. The unscrewed the sockets and put them into junction boxes. They came in, charged £60 to remove them and test our alarm. They left, happy days. I have no idea if they notified anyone or if that was even required at this stage. If i had a receipt, it's long gone.
• Fast forward 4 months and I called Company B who came in and gave me a quote. Said they were too busy for our timescales, but the same guys who would do the work anyway would do it in the evenings and Company B boss would sort out all the paperwork. This was no different to getting Company B to do the work, just that we paid the electricians themselves rather than their boss.
• Work is now completed and the electricians said to give their boss a call to finalise it all. Boss said it's fine as they're his lads and it'll be £150 for Part P.

I've just called NICEIC to confirm also what you said - 25 days for notification, so essentially I can call their boss back and ask him what exactly I'm paying £150 for since the work is notifiable to NICEIC anyway which covers the building notification/Part P.

Is there anyway I can check to see if they've notified NICEIC of my work? I have no questions at all regarding the electricians who did the work, they're extremely honest with me, and have been very open with what's been going on. It's just their boss who I am now dealing with..

 

[bubachuba]

sounds like you have paid the electricians for the work directly and now need to deal with the company registered with nic.
to use an analogy, if you had your car repaired by someone working in the local MOT centre but wanted an MOT certificate... that would need to come from the tester associated with that business. even if it is the person who has repaired your car, the certificate is signed by him but the certificate is registered to the business with the ministry of transport. not sure if that makes sense?