is this correct pipe work?

[bluebaron]

Hi,

Those following my threads will probably have seen a few moans about my plumber. I took these photos today as not sure this is correct. This is basically first fix pipe runs in a timber frame house.

This first one is for mains feed to roof he added an isolation valve which i have to somehow surface mount he said is fine will be hidden behind cabinets in utility. Not sure how I'm supposed to plasterboard it of maintain a VCL on the frame.

This one is for radiator feed on first floor. I showed him the rads and where i was putting them but he doesn't want to take responsibility of drilling through in the wrong place so has put them on a loop and told me to put them in when I've hung the rad? Obviously i can't finish the ceiling below before the wall above which seemed odd to me plus ill have to drain down to feed the loop through.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Dan Robinson]

First picture is a mess. And leaving the valve concealed is stupid. Is that curve in the pipes not gorgeous to be an issue too?

Second picture I can follow his logic, but the history of the job is not promising. I would bring the pipes down in the wall and leave myself options at the bottom.

 

[Agile]

I always prefer pipework in copper.

Obviously you want a cheaper job and you are certainly getting it.

I don't see the point of a valve hidden behind plasterboard or units. If a valve is needed then it should be accessible.

Tony

 

[FiremanT]

I always prefer pipework in copper.

Obviously you want a cheaper job and you are certainly getting it.

I don't see the point of a valve hidden behind plasterboard or units. If a valve is needed then it should be accessible.

Tony

Er, Tony, plastic is now practically de rigueur in a new build. Ypu may not "prefer" it, and i have never used it, bit TBF, it is here and not going away.
On what basis can you slate the guy for wanting a cheaper job? Nobody desires to pay more than they should, and he has a right to expect a certain standard of work.
The job is a mess.

 

[easyflow]

It fantastic "a work of art"............... You sure he,s a plumber or maybe a new age artist.

 

[bluebaron]

Not sure if its a cheap job Im paying Over £5k fit 1st only pipework although does include some UFH fitting as well as moving the boiler a few metres.

I'm not sure the guy is used to working in a timber frame. Just how can I fix the pipework issue? I can't really run the pipes through the soleplate so maybe swap the bend for a tight 90? But that still leaves it surface mounted which I suppose I can accept as it's behind units.

Thanks for advice

 

[Plumber90]

All the work I do (well 99% any way is new build) and that is absolutely shocking.

Bin the bloke off and get someone else in to sort it out.

 

[Happyplumber]

That looks like something you would expect from Stevie Wonder Plumbing Services
Nothing wrong with plastic it is now used more then copper on new builds.

 

[bobsuerita]

i would be more concerned about the hangers for the eco joists(spacejoist) one the hanger are touching steel so will sqeak like hell
plus they are the wrong hanger should face fix hangers with full side support nailed top and bottom to joist https://www.secfixings.co.uk/product/uh-universal-hanger/

 

[bluebaron]

I've pushed back my schedule so the job is on hold for a bit while I reasses. I've told the plumber and he wants an interim payment. He's completed a total of 20 hours over 5 days and run about £200 worth of pipe work. He asked for £3k. The total job was quoted at £5k.

He still has more than half of the job outstanding. What would be a reasonable amount to pay?

Thanks

 

[denso13]

What would be a reasonable amount to pay?

Nothing, if you aren't happy with it and the pictures are anything to go by. Was anything agreed beforehand?

 

[bluebaron]

I told him, as a favour i would pay £1500 for the materials and 3 odd days completed but he said no wants £3000, now we are in Mexican standoff!

We agreed payment on completion no interim or upfront payments. To be fair to him i have delayed the job by a few weeks as the site is a bit behind. But i said to him he has to work with the site and it works both ways if he was delayed on another job.

 

[denso13]

I told him, as a favour i would pay £1500 for the materials

That's a lot of material. It's up to you of course.

 

[Aquaheat]

I've pushed back my schedule so the job is on hold for a bit while I reasses. I've told the plumber and he wants an interim payment. He's completed a total of 20 hours over 5 days and run about £200 worth of pipe work. He asked for £3k. The total job was quoted at £5k.

He still has more than half of the job outstanding. What would be a reasonable amount to pay?

Thanks

So it's now £1500 materials and just 3 days? Typical custard. Why not speak with him. I'd be wanting cash off you as you are changing timescales and funnily enough we book other things in. You gave changed his diary for you benefit. Suck it up old chap and pay the stage payment.

Jon

 

[bluebaron]

Thanks for advice chaps, I paid the guy £1500 for his 20 hours of work and £200's worth of materials and he wasn't happy as wanted £3k.

Told him I couldn't pay that much up front as he still had lots of outstanding work. Didn't mention the quality of work was suspect.

Next day called and pulled off the job! Glad i didn't give him £3k!

I suspect that although he was probably a good 'day to day' plumber (changing boilers,taps, rads etc) He wasn't up to site work and first fix plumbing.