Where would you position Acro-Props in a replacement Bay Window scenario?

[Teams]

Hi Guys

I'd just like some ideas where Acro-Props would be positioned in the following bay window, the bay window below has just been chosen randomly, so I can get an idea (No work is actually going to be done):-

Below is the actual bay wndow, just need to get some idea.

Many Thanks.

 

[Tigercubrider]

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/supporting-window-bay-with-acros.446248/

 

[Teams]

I'd put them between the floor and ceiling.

Yes, I gathered that, but near the ends, in the middle etc. I suppose it's beyond your pay grade to provide a sensible answer.

 

[Teams]

Do they; obviously another clairvoyance thing.

First rule of the forum. Post stupid stuff, get stupid replies.

And what's so embarrassing about the 2nd bay that you won't show it all.

Second rule must be, ;Empty vessels make the most noise', you kind of sum the second rule up.There's nothing wrong; Except that the double glazing installers didn't use Acro-Props when replacing a 'bay window'. That is against Building Regulations.

 

[Nozzle]

I'm no expert - but the use or non-use of Acrow props during installation is meaningless if they've fitted uPVC windows to a structural bay window. Unless they're steel reinforced. Are they? The damage will be done during the following months and years of being inadequately supported.

Nozzle

 

[Teams]

I'm no expert - but the use or non-use of Acrow props during installation is meaningless if they've fitted uPVC windows to a structural bay window. Unless they're steel reinforced. Are they? The damage will be done during the following months and years of being inadequately supported.

Nozzle

Thanks for your response.

I'm going by the following, the Glazing company insist that they used them, they didn't. We have some pics taken during installation (we were focused on something else that was incorrect', but we we'ren't aware that they had to use them on 'bay windows' as per the Guide:-

The GGF's Installation Guide - Building Regulations (attached - page 13) states the following -

'Removal of bay windows In order to maintain the structural integrity when replacing a bay window, it is essential that temporary supports such as adjustable steel props are used. It is important to ensure that the walls, floors or
beams that may be affected by the window replacement are adequately supported prior to removing the windows.

Care should be taken to protect internal ceiling and floor finishes at support bearing points. The sequence of removal of the windows in a two storey bay should ensure that unnecessary damage to the lower bay construction does not occur and structural stability is not impaired. It is important that the structure is always adequately supported.

After supporting the bay structure, the windows should be removed carefully, ensuring that the minimum of damage is caused to reveals, plaster, finishes and trims. It is recommended that structural mullions are removed one at a time, and that both the temporary supports and the pre-existing structure are closely monitored for any signs of settlement.'

 

[Nozzle]

Going back to your original post, and to Woody's witty remark. If you want a meaningful response from people in the know (not me) you need to be honest and upfront with the situation. Otherwise it's guessing on guessing on guessing - which is useless and a waste of your time and the person trying to help you. Are you trying to avoid posting pictures of your own living room because of a court case or privacy etc? Then say so.

Nozzle

 

[Teams]

Going back to your original post, and to Woody's witty remark. If you want a meaningful response from people in the know (not me) you need to be honest and upfront with the situation. Otherwise it's guessing on guessing on guessing - which is useless and a waste of your time and the person trying to help you. Are you trying to avoid posting pictures of your own living room because of a court case or privacy etc? Then say so.

Nozzle

I've done the Woody 'witty remark' thing. I am being upfront. The question is pretty simple, where would Acro-Props be positioned? on any of the pictures, this is just for my benefit. I don't need to elaborate on anything. I'm not asking anybody to guess anything. These are existing pics, so why not use them.

 

[^woody^]

the double glazing installers didn't use Acro-Props when replacing a 'bay window'. That is against Building Regulations

Really? Is that a new thing? Can you point this out please as I think this may have been sneaked in by the goverment unchecked.

Does it need to be Acro- Props (or should it be Acrow Prop), or will any adjustable steel prop do. What about a bit of 4x2 which we use, are those banned now?

Your rambling still does not ke any other sense though, but I'm here for the fun of it.

 

[Teams]

Really? Is that a new thing? Can you point this out please as I think this may have been sneaked in by the goverment unchecked.

Does it need to be Acro- Props (or should it be Acrow Prop), or will any adjustable steel prop do. What about a bit of 4x2 which we use, are those banned now?

Your rambling still does not ke any other sense though, but I'm here for the fun of it.

Stop rambling, where have I said anything has been banned? I've copy and paste from the GGF Installation Guide. Surely you've seen quotation marks before? Maybe not.

Wow you picked up on a typo!! That must be the 'fun' part.

 

[^woody^]

Who are the GGF? Do they enforce the Building Regulations? Are Acrows even part of the Building Regulations like you seem to think?

Why are you so angry? Were you angry before the bay was fitted?

 

[tomfe]

Not all bay windows are structual so you might not need them.

 

[TicTac]

Okay Teams, sounds like the installers didn't do the job the way you expected them to, but have they caused any problems. Did they put in steel reinforcing bars in the corners of the bays; has there been any sinking of the 1st floor bay, are there any issue other than the job not being done the way you expected.

You can look at loads of posts on here, and you'll find we respond happily to straightforward requests. Can you take the bold off please; not so easy to read the post with that on.

 

[Teams]

Who are the GGF? Glass and Glazing Federation. They operate the 'competent person's scheme' FENSA - where companies can certify building works carried out by companies / individuals.

Do they enforce the Building Regulations? Council's Building Control Departments enforce Building Regulations.

Are Acrows even part of the Building Regulations like you seem to think? Not specifically Acrow Props, but from what I've read; there is a requirement to use 'supports' when replacing Bay Windows.

Why are you so angry? I'm not angry.

Were you angry before the bay was fitted? No

 

[Teams]

Not all bay windows are structual so you might not need them.

The Field Manager during a visit stated that they were used. So clearly there was a requirement to use them.