why is loss of freedom of movement in eu seen as a big deal

sodthisforfun said:
The government shouldn't have run the referendum until it was ready to do so.
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True. Cameron's fault. He probably admits he should not have done it.
It would also have been possible - only ten tory M.P.s were for brexit before the referendum - for the Government to honour their beliefs and disregard the result or resign.

2/Point taken but that's not what I meant. There seems to be a few people out there that think that all those millions who voted leave did so on the back of racism.
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Well, the word 'racism' is misused a lot. You (if white British) cannot be racist against Europeans but it is not unreasonable to believe their wish to limit immigration also applied to non-Europeans - nothing to do with the E.U..
I have seen interviews with a lot of recent immigrants who, it would appear, wanted to raise the drawbridge now that they are in Britain.

I think there are other reasons why people voted to leave and not all racist.
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Perhaps, but as no one knows what will happen, unwise.

3/ I do think tho people were left to chose a box without knowing what the contents are then blaming them when they pick the wrong one.
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Do you think it sensible to vote if you do not know anything about the subject?
If that is the case then it can only be down to misguided prejudice.
 
sodthisforfun said:
Was it available? I didn't see any 'real' information, just a lot of guesswork as to what may happen. And in all honesty, who has the time to research every single thing that came out of the mouths of politicians and all those so-called experts? That would've been a full-time job in itself as well as a lot of overtime! I do think you're being unfair on people again. It surely was the job of those campaigning to deal the truth and not turn the whole sorry affair into something akin to American politics. It was an absolute farce and I wish people would remember to share the blame the people who made a mess of the whole thing from the start - the bloody politicians and Farage.
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The information was freely available all along. However you do have to look beyond the usual political b*llshit to gain a modicum of truth, which as you say takes a bit of time.

But isn't what 'informed choice' is all about?

Truth is of course what politicians hate, and something they try to brainwash the 'electorate' to avoid seeing at all costs - hence the large amounts spent on what is essentially 21st century gerrymandering!

But then all elections are now the same - so I guess what it comes down to is some people care more about the consequences of their vote than others :(

The '52%' kicked out at the wrong target because sadly on the whole their lot will get no better!

Is that the fault of the politicians or electoral ignorance?

Or is electoral ignorance the goal in a world where corporate interests override 'notional democracy'? ;)
 
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ellal said:
Is that the fault of the politicians or electoral ignorance?

Or is electoral ignorance the goal in a world where corporate interests override 'notional democracy'? ;)
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Both! That's what I said, I wish people would remember to share the blame, not just go on to say that brexiteers are racist people - full stop.

And yes, your last comment is a bit x-files but it does indeed seem to be the way, certainly going there. It should be down to the gov to tell us what is happening and what brexit was going to be about because it is their job, they are paid and elected to do such a thing. I don't think that blame of the rubbish we now face sits solely on the shoulders of the voter.

Alas, as EFLimpudence already pointed out - nobody knew what was going to happen and I don't think the information was there all along.
 
Judy in the sky said:
I'm also sure "Project Fear " swayed quite a few remainers too.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...acebook-data-story-and-what-should-happen-now

I am a progressive Eurosceptic. I supported Leave. This is not about “remoaning”. It’s about upholding the rule of law. The UK is about to embark on the most profound change to its constitutional settlement in a generation. We must be absolutely certain that this is being done on a proper legal basis. These are uncomfortable facts and hard questions. But Britain mustn’t “pull a Facebook”. Denial doesn’t work.
 
sodthisforfun said:
It should be down to the gov to tell us what is happening and what brexit was going to be about because it is their job, they are paid and elected to do such a thing. I don't think that blame of the rubbish we now face sits solely on the shoulders of the voter.
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But the government did point out what might happen/has happened after a leave vote.

And we haven't even officially left yet!

So can you point out the 'proven lies' in this document?

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf
 
Judy in the sky said:
Who's law are you on about though? EU or UK (which the UK will set in the future)
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UK Law. Or didn't you even read the article as it makes it clear.

Its a shame that so many are clueless about who sets the laws in this country.
 
Kankerot said:
UK Law. Or didn't you even read the article as it makes it clear.

Its a shame that so many are clueless about who sets the laws in this country.
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Go on then, entertain me... Q1, Who tells the UK parliament which laws they will be enacting.? Q2, How many laws have been introduced since the Referendum? Q3, How many of these laws have their beginnings in Brussels ?
 
ellal said:
The information was freely available all along. However you do have to look beyond the usual political b*llshit to gain a modicum of truth, which as you say takes a bit of time.

But isn't what 'informed choice' is all about?

Truth is of course what politicians hate, and something they try to brainwash the 'electorate' to avoid seeing at all costs - hence the large amounts spent on what is essentially 21st century gerrymandering!

But then all elections are now the same - so I guess what it comes down to is some people care more about the consequences of their vote than others :(

The '52%' kicked out at the wrong target because sadly on the whole their lot will get no better!

Is that the fault of the politicians or electoral ignorance?

Or is electoral ignorance the goal in a world where corporate interests override 'notional democracy'? ;)
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For years folk were voicing legitimate concerns about immigration into this country. A big issue on the brexit vote.
And were fobbed off by smug europhiles with patronising platitudes and charges of racism .
For those of you opposing brexit and still trying to work out why it happened, you got exactly what you deserve.
Arzeholes.
 
mitch66 said:
What sort of post is that from someone who often questions the accuracy of others posts? EFLI he probably admits he likes......
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Not sure what questioning accuracy has to do with me speculating.

Do you think he would not admit he should not have done it? I.e. the outcome is what he wanted.
 
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