Test and Trace data to be provided to the Police - £1k fines will help paying for those contracts

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JohnD said:
If you take a test group of a thousand people, and ask them to test-taste cups of tea, it's possible that one or more of them will die in the following month.

As a precaution, you might perhaps call a halt to your tea-tasting trials until you find out the cause of death.

Does that alarm you?
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If they're recruiting 10,000 people then over a year, assuming it's a perfect slice of the population, you'd expect around 65 to die. Or roughly 5 a month.

I'd guess they've got to trim out the very unwell, but you'd want to include a good sample of older people as part of the tests.
 
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ellal said:
And you still haven't stated whether you would take this particular jab, or indeed put yourself at risk of that placebo you believe to be the cause of death...

Why not?
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I probably would, but it depends what you mean by rushed.

Rushed as in what is happening for the Oxford vaccine and all the others that are being developed for use in the UK? No question, yes I would. There they are being rushed by doing every step as fast as possible and setting up production lines 'at risk' so if they don't pass they've wasted money on setting up the lines, but if it passes they've saved a few months.

Rushed as in the Russian and Chinese ones which have effectively skipped part of the approval process? No, I'd be much more hesitant. Even then they're still doing the testing apparently, but the way they're being deployed is more questionable.
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I've already answered before. When a vaccine passes the required tests and is licensed for use by the MHRA and if it's recommended for me, then yes I would.

If you're born before 1981 you probably haven't had the MenC Vaccine, but after that you might and after 1999 probably have. Thanks to that vaccine, and it's successors, there's negligible deaths due to MenC in the UK now.
 
ellal said:
Ah, so you reckon the 'tested' placebo was to blame...

And what 'tried and trusted' procedures do you think that the unnamed placebo went through?

You seen to accept things at face value...

So it ain't me that needs to try harder!

And you still haven't stated whether you would take this particular jab, or indeed put yourself at risk of that placebo you believe to be the cause of death...

Why not?
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Why do think it must be the Placebo that killed him, all we know is that he did not take the vaccine.
 
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trazor said:
Why do think it must be the Placebo that killed him, all we know is that he did not take the vaccine.
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We know nothing about what he may have took or not...

Which bit of "Brazil's health authority has given no details about the death, citing confidentiality protocols." did you not understand?

And yet you choose to believe "The BBC understands that the volunteer did not receive the vaccine."

But which vaccine? Since the placebo was apparently a vaccine in itself!
 
ellal said:
Really?

Care to tell us the name/political party of the prime minister at the time of the 45 minute lie that led to a major war and increased military industrial contracts?
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durhamplumber said:
How theflying fek do you know that??.. complete fabrication and unknown.
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trazor said:
Weapons of mass destruction.................my arsssse.
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whataboutery

I was talking in reference to the covid pandemic.

Unlike the Tory party, Labour dont have billionaire backers or mates that own bogus companies like pestfix.

Labour would have used local community testing, using NHS labs
Unlike Tories who used serco for the distribution......serco (Health minister Edward Argar was a senior executive)

ps: Iraq war wouldve happened under Tories anyway, they lurve the muricans and Iraq war was revenge for 9/11
 
Notch7 said:
Unlike the Tory party, Labour dont have billionaire backers or mates that own bogus companies like pestfix.
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Nah, they just have union funds which influence them and large party affiliation subs...

And they raised £10m more than the tories before the last election - just a shame they spaffed it all away!

Notch7 said:
ps: Iraq war wouldve happened under Tories anyway, they lurve the muricans and Iraq war was revenge for 9/11
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So no point worrying about who was in charge at the time then?

Does that mean that Blair is absolved of all blame?

Notch7 said:
Labour would have used local community testing, using NHS labs
Unlike Tories who used serco for the distribution......serco (Health minister Edward Argar was a senior executive)
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NHS labs don't exist...

And they are as much to blame due to PFI!
 
ellal said:
NHS labs don't exist...

And they are as much to blame due to PFI!
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Yes they do. They're technically called Public Health Laboratories and they're administered by PHE and located in larger NHS trusts. Funding is cross charged I believe, that's the normal model in the NHS.

Learn something
 
IT Minion said:
Yes they do. They're technically called Public Health Laboratories and they're administered by PHE and located in larger NHS trusts. Funding is cross charged I believe, that's the normal model in the NHS.

Learn something
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Erm...

Why the UK lacks an adequate testing system

"We would be better placed to respond to the coronavirus outbreak had the Public Health Laboratory Service been maintained"

"Matt Hancock says this country, unlike Germany, does not have the scale to undertake the testing required in the Covid-19 pandemic"

Oh, and 'operation moonshot' has now been ditched...

Linky

So much for a 'world beating' system...:rolleyes:

Yet another laughing stock plan bites the dust!
 
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