87 year old stabbed to death?!?
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Wrong. The origins of the suspect could be very relevant.
I've said before in other threads, everyone should have the same level of legal scrutiny applied to them if they're suspected of committing a crime, regardless of gender, ethnicity, whether born here or not etc. For example, it's now been accepted the Asian grooming gangs got away with it for so long partly due to police reluctance to investigate because of suspect ethnicity. If the authorities applied the same level of investigative rigor to everyone, this would never have happened.
Back to the suspect in this crime.
If it transpires he's here illegally, it's very relevant. Why? Because in this specific case, if the suspect hadn't been in this country in the first place, this crime would never have happened and the old boy would still be around.
A bit of a slur on the tory party.
Just because they backstab each other at election time doesn't justify stereotyping them.
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He'd still be here though, illegal or not.
Where your argument falls down is that you are picking one aspect of a situation and applying it generally. Come to think of it, you are actually picking one aspect of a hypothetical situation and applying it generally, which is even more ridiculous.
Wrong. I'm applying it to this specific case although yes, it's hypothetical hence my use of the word 'if' throughout the thread.
Who's the most important person in your life? If they were killed by someone who shouldn't be in the country in the first place, you're asserting that would be irrelevant to you? Even though your loved one would still be alive had the murderer not been here? Interesting.
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Yes, but if person A was here illegally, that implies he got past border security and is on the streets already.
If he is detained by authorities, he wouldn't be on the streets.
We'll never have full control of our borders in the way people think we need. You can be here illegally after coming on a holiday, studying, coming for work etc. Once your VISA expires, you are here illegally. We used to have systems in place to control this under the previous government, but austerity scrapped all that nonsense!
You could pick any point in time leading up to the event and something might or might not have altered the outcome. Did the killer search out the old fella or did he happen across him? Was it targeted or random, a robbery or revenge? We don't know? Yes, you are right, had he been arrested getting off the boat and was now in prison - or despatched back to France - the old boy would still be alive. But we don't know if he did get off a boat! So, of all the might have been's and could have been's, why is that the thing you think might be most relevant? Could it be that you are slightly programmed to think of that first?
IF he was here illegally, whose fault is that for not apprehending him and processing him properly?
Why do you think is to blame for those who are not doing their jobs properly?
Yet you blame anyone and everyone who is different in appearance to you.
Meanwhile you make up some hypothetical argument based simply on your prejudice.
Ah, yet another one who likes to conflate assertions, twist words and assume things of the poster that they know diddly squat about.
Of course the lack of robustness with our authorities in apprehending people is a factor ... show me where I said it wasn't
I blame 'anyone and everyone who is different in appearance to me' ... MMmmm, do I? Again, please show me where I've done this
Prejudice? I'm not prejudice
if you read my opening post I simply state if it transpires he's here illegally, I wonder what the apologists on the subject will have to say. You know, the people that would seem to be content to see any number of people arrive on our shores daily.Dunno
Dare say front line plod is at a low
Whilst the red tape / pencil pushing / form filling has gone through the roof ( administrators)
We work for a couple of police officers both can’t wait to take early retirement
Meanwhile as and when this scum bag gets convicted of murder ??
The tax payer will have to cough up to keep in jail for the rest of his life
Medical treatment
3 meals a day
Central heating and leccy
look after his human rights
Bla bla
The tax payer will have to cough up to keep in jail for the rest of his life
Medical treatment
3 meals a day
Central heating and leccy
look after his human rights
Bla bla
News article about this the other day. Police numbers were (intentionally) reduced ... great plan eh? I wonder how many people on big bucks came up with that great idea. Less police.
It was then realised 'oops, we don't have enough police!' so they started more recruitment drives to solve a problem that shouldn't have arisen in the first place.
Result?
Whilst police numbers are creeping up again, quite a significant % of those are new recruits. So, although 'qualified' they have limited experience. Coupled with that, many officers go for fast-track promotion schemes. Fine, they're entitled to, I'd probably do the same. However, it means officers are rising through the ranks with little actual experience of policing.
What a f**k up.