protestors holding up ordinary people

[transam]

Remember, a lot of those people won't be allowed to work as they aren't processed.

Well

Perhaps said boat that needs a crew can be flagged in another country

Or if he got them from Calais it would have nowt to do with the UK ??? He could always slip the French a few bob

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Well

Perhaps said boat that needs a crew can be flagged in another country

Or if he got them from Calais it would have nowt to do with the UK ??? He could always slip the French a few bob

Yep. You'd think he'd be able to find some people in France, or Europe generally

Probably just not trying hard enough

 

[motorbiking]

A multi-millionaire bloke I know charters boats, but cant find the staff to crew them.

Brexit - utter pile of dog turd.

Your mate’s issue is local Cypriot law regarding visas. It’s easily sorted. He just needs to ask around or not.

 

[noseall]

Your mate’s issue is local Cypriot law regarding visas. It’s easily sorted.

Nonsense. He hasn't just started up this boat business, lol. Brexit has made employing Brits a nightmare.

Brexit - utter pile of useless UK harming garbage.

 

[motorbiking]

I appreciate I am only hearing about his problem through your understanding, but he sounds like a complete idiot.

EU countries have different rules for granting visas. A visa once granted by one is valid for all. Cypriot law has a narrow set of occupations that are eligible for visas. Cyprus also isn't in the Schengen zone, so his staff can easily stay 90 days in Cyprus, 90 days in EU waters and flip. So your mate has several options:

- run a split fleet EU/non-EU, and make some significant tax savings. The med-charter market is growing in US and Canada as well as the UK. Though Cyprus is not really a main destination for most.
- open a base (=one vessel or a converted shipping container) in a more favourable country (e.g. Greece) where obtaining a visa is as easy as ordering Souvlaki, giving the holder the right to stay more than 90 days in any 180 days. But in any case, no visa is needed as long as his UK staff rotate every 3 months.
- do bareboat charters.
- partner with one of the bigger franchises (e.g. Dream)

If he charters larger vessels then none of this matters.

There is a little more to this business than buying a few boats and putting a sign up saying "for rent".

 

[ellal]

I appreciate I am only hearing about his problem through your understanding, but he sounds like a complete idiot.

EU countries have different rules for granting visas. A visa once granted by one is valid for all. Cypriot law has a narrow set of occupations that are eligible for visas. Cyprus also isn't in the Schengen zone, so his staff can easily stay 90 days in Cyprus, 90 days in EU waters and flip. So your mate has several options:

- run a split fleet EU/non-EU, and make some significant tax savings. The med-charter market is growing in US and Canada as well as the UK. Though Cyprus is not really a main destination for most.
- open a base (=one vessel or a converted shipping container) in a more favourable country (e.g. Greece) where obtaining a visa is as easy as ordering Souvlaki, giving the holder the right to stay more than 90 days in any 180 days. But in any case, no visa is needed as long as his UK staff rotate every 3 months.
- do bareboat charters.
- partner with one of the bigger franchises (e.g. Dream)

If he charters larger vessels then none of this matters.

There is a little more to this business than buying a few boats and putting a sign up saying "for rent".

Just for clarity...

Could you remind us whether any of these restrictions and red tape/visa requirements existed before brexit?

Because the EU/EEA countries may have different rules for third countries, but that doesn't apply to members of the EU/EEA...

Personally I reckon that those who voted for this total mess that the UK now finds itself in are the complete idiots

 

[carmanmemoranda]

At least they knew what they were voting for.

This mess

 

[motorbiking]

Just for clarity...

Could you remind us whether any of these restrictions and red tape/visa requirements existed before brexit?

Because the EU/EEA countries may have different rules for third countries, but that doesn't apply to members of the EU/EEA...

Personally I reckon that those who voted for this total mess that the UK now finds itself in are the complete idiots

certainly.

Visa rules are the remit of individual states. Cyprus is not in the Schengen area.

The idiots are those who after nearly a decade refuse to find solutions to their problems.

 

[Brigadier]

solutions

Workarounds.

 

[motorbiking]

Problems solved. Even the hard of thinking can do it… perhaps

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The idiots are those who after nearly a decade refuse to find solutions to their problems.

I haven't seen many business' claiming the benefits they've found . I'm sure they have been looking

Are all these business people poor, or they just workaround the extra problems found is that what you call a solution ?

Maybe you can demonstrate where more have succeeded with the benefits than struggled with the drawbacks?

 

[motorbiking]

Why would you, you are a car mechanic, who thinks Brexit means he can't go on a cycling holiday and take a few tools and spares.

I suspect you haven't found many businesses creating debt/buying/selling vehicles using intellectual property rights to avoid tax, in the tyre fitting business. Oddly in the IT, software, e-commerce and telecoms world everyone is doing it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why would you, you are a car mechanic,

Amongst other things. Not always been a mechanic but don't let facts bother you

who thinks Brexit means he can't go on a cycling holiday and take a few tools and spares.

You are unaware of travelling with tools and equipment on business, and pleasure level. Ok, that doesn't surprise me, even though it's been explained to you before.

I suspect you haven't found many businesses creating debt/buying/selling vehicles using intellectual property rights to avoid tax, in the tyre fitting business. Oddly in the IT, software, e-commerce and telecoms world everyone is doing it.

Now try and show where these businesses are saying how better trade is after Brexit

I can show you lots more saying the opposite. As does the OBR.

Your only focus is avoiding tax, why is that ?

 

[ellal]

Visa rules are the remit of individual states. Cyprus is not in the Schengen area.

But Cyprus is part of the EU...

Which means that said regulations didn't apply prior to brexit, regardless of whether a country was in the Schengen area or not...

The UK (along with Ireland - CTA border issues) was never in the Schengen area, and yet free movement still applied

But thanks once again for reminding us that the UK inside the EU was still a sovereign state

Ignorant brexiteers fell for that 'ruled by the EU' BS!

 

[motorbiking]

Why do you think it’s so hard to get a visa ? If one EU country’s rules don’t suit. Try another.

That’s the whole stupidity of the model.
Each country sets its own rules but has to acknowledge the visas issued by others.

The EU is full of non EU citizens, happily living and working, many even legally avoid paying local income tax etc