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[motorbiking]

Ok, I don't need clothes

It's certainly beyond yours to understand

And not 1 example youve quoted has shown me to be wrong, as I've highlighted from your links

Ha ha.

Ok. Try this. List of parts, changes by the minute. Has to be prepared in advance. Listed, accurately, identifying marks, numbers, weights, colours etc.

Say 3 vans go with 3 cars. Each van is set up for 1 car. During the event only 1 van might be at my any service point, the other 2 leapfrog to the next service point. In between parts may be swapped van to van for specific needs at next service point.

And repeat and repeat.

At the end of the event every part and tools and other equipment has to go back to the correct van. With evidence of parts used, swapped (eg gearbox or suspension struts) and listed.

Check it all against the inventory and go home

So simple isn't it. Let's not take onto account buying or selling or giving parts away or from other teams to help them or keep our own cars in action.

YOU. HAVENT. GOT. A CLUE. But can tell me how simple it is

your personal clothing is exempt.
So far all you've said is you don't want to do it because its too complex.

How do the parts change by the minute? You've got to pack them and take them with you or buy them locally. Actually all you have to do is list them, show the weight, value and origin.
keep a log of which part came from which van. Noting that consumables are exempt. At the end of the event you'll want to make sure the parts and tools go back in the right vehicle as you say. Your vehicle, you decide what goes on and presumably off it.

Whoever they want or find or arrange

I decide what's on my van. Nobody else me. I'm responsible for it

Sometimes yes.

Now I don't do it, but sometimes still go out in a car for the fun and to help but without a mobile workshop.

Could you repair a rally car on an event without organisation?

2 clueless idiots telling me how simple it is because of Brexit !

So far you are confirming that you actually have 90% of the process in place or you are so chaotic that you almost certainly impeded the teams you were supposed to be helping. You also talk about stages of the race. These seem to be road legal vehicles perhaps?

Nobody is telling you it's simpler because of Brexit. It does appear to be beyond your ability.

 

[Notch7]

It doesn't surprise me that your brain hurts.

Try taking a van full of spares and tools and equipment on a rally.

The paperwork before, during and after the event will make it hurt

I would imagine taking a van full of spares tools and equipment requires an ATA carnet, which means a £410 fee plus a bond plus proof of the value of the goods etc etc.

I doubt Mottie has ever heard of an ATA carnet

https://www.ism.org/advice/musicians-guide-to-ata-carnets/

 

[motorbiking]

I would imagine taking a van full of spares tools and equipment requires an ATA carnet, which means a £410 fee plus a bond plus proof of the value of the goods etc etc.

I doubt Mottie has ever heard of an ATA carnet

https://www.ism.org/advice/musicians-guide-to-ata-carnets/

Keep googling and you will find all sorts of discounts and exemptions.

 

[Notch7]

your personal clothing is exempt.
So far all you've said is you don't want to do it because its too complex.

How do the parts change by the minute? You've got to pack them and take them with you or buy them locally. Actually all you have to do is list them, show the weight, value and origin.
keep a log of which part came from which van. Noting that consumables are exempt. At the end of the event you'll want to make sure the parts and tools go back in the right vehicle as you say. Your vehicle, you decide what goes on and presumably off it.


So far you are confirming that you actually have 90% of the process in place or you are so chaotic that you almost certainly impeded the teams you were supposed to be helping. You also talk about stages of the race. These seem to be road legal vehicles perhaps?

Nobody is telling you it's simpler because of Brexit. It does appear to be beyond your ability.

If it’s so easy how come U.K. has virtually dropped out of exhibitions in EU?

Oh and then there’s the damage to music industry as touring is now too much aggro for many musicians what with ATA carnets, cabotage, 90 in 180 rule etc etc.

 

[motorbiking]

If it’s so easy how come U.K. has virtually dropped out of exhibitions in EU?

Oh and then there’s the damage to music industry as touring is now too much aggro for many musicians what with ATA carnets, cabotage, 90 in 180 rule etc etc.

see above. if its something you want to do, just get on with it. If you no longer want to do it, then fine.

 

[Notch7]

Keep googling and you will find all sorts of discounts and exemptions.

Usual Motorbiking BS….claims there is evidence online without providing it

Next you produce a link claiming it’s “all in there”




If it was all fine why is music industry still suffering significant drop in EU work

Paying the Price - Independent Society of Musicians

The ISM's major new Brexit report, Paying the price, is the first of its kind following the UK’s departure from the EU. It reveals the devastating scale of the impact that Brexit has had on UK musicians and the wider music sector. The report uses the testimony from an ISM…

www.ism.org

Brexit losses - Arts Professional

After a recent appearance before Wales’s Culture Committee, Charlotte Faucher has been rethinking our new relationship with Europe.

www.artsprofessional.co.uk

 

[Notch7]

see above. if its something you want to do, just get on with it. If you no longer want to do it, then fine.

Is it more difficult than before brexit?

 

[motorbiking]

If you click on the links I've already provided you will see that there are discounts available and there is an insurance based alternative to the deposit.

and nobody has said there isn't work to do.

 

[Notch7]

If you click on the links I've already provided you will see that there are discounts available and there is an insurance based alternative to the deposit.

and nobody has said there isn't work to do.

Is it more difficult than before Brexit?

 

[motorbiking]

Usual Motorbiking BS….claims there is evidence online without providing it

Next you produce a link claiming it’s “all in there”




If it was all fine why is music industry still suffering significant drop in EU work

Paying the Price - Independent Society of Musicians

The ISM's major new Brexit report, Paying the price, is the first of its kind following the UK’s departure from the EU. It reveals the devastating scale of the impact that Brexit has had on UK musicians and the wider music sector. The report uses the testimony from an ISM…

www.ism.org

Brexit losses - Arts Professional

After a recent appearance before Wales’s Culture Committee, Charlotte Faucher has been rethinking our new relationship with Europe.

www.artsprofessional.co.uk

you do realise it was in your own link too

Discounted Carnet service for ISM members​

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The ISM is a member of the London Chamber of Commerce and Industry and has secured discounted rates for ISM members for carnets.

2024 rates for members:

Issuing fee: £234 inc. VAT (a saving of £156 inc VAT).

Security deposit: will vary according to the value of your equipment. The LCC has waived the administration fee for its in-house CSS scheme.

ATA Carnets for Musicians | Independent Society of Musicians

Get the info you need about ATA carnets for touring musicians and how to simplify international gigs. Read our guide, including the documentation required.

www.ism.org

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Is it more difficult than before Brexit?

it's beyond his ability to understand, as he has clearly demonstrated

 

[motorbiking]

Is it more difficult than before Brexit?

you have some forms to fill out.

it's beyond his ability to understand, as he has clearly demonstrated

actually you've demonstrated its beyond your ability.

I happily get on with the additional work I need to do and I have amended my SOPs so that I don't forget anything important.

So far I have found zero interest from any port or customs official to check my paperwork.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

your personal clothing is exempt.
So far all you've said is you don't want to do it because its too complex.

Correct. Brexit made it hard work

How do the parts change by the minute? You've got to pack them and take them with you or buy them locally. Actually all you have to do is list them, show the weight, value and origin.

Not every clubman has the finance to have every part they require in their "spares cupboard". All sorts of begging and borrowing from others goes on. Borrowing parts, they are often last minute favours etc. after another team has finished an event and got parts they can now afford to lend out

keep a log of which part came from which van. Noting that consumables are exempt. At the end of the event you'll want to make sure the parts and tools go back in the right vehicle as you say. Your vehicle, you decide what goes on and presumably off it.

Thats exactly the point im making. Keeping this log in the middle of an event where its against the clock to keep the car in the event, the last thing anybody does is to write anything down

So far you are confirming that you actually have 90% of the process in place or you are so chaotic that you almost certainly impeded the teams you were supposed to be helping. You also talk about stages of the race. These seem to be road legal vehicles perhaps?

If you don't understand rallying, don't try and tell me how simple it is. Your comment just proves you don't understand it

Nobody is telling you it's simpler because of Brexit. It does appear to be beyond your ability.

It is way HARDER because of brexit. It has taken a lot of the fun from it.

Stop being a clueless idiot and keeping trying to tell me how easy it is. IT ISN'T !

 

[motorbiking]

I would imagine taking a van full of spares tools and equipment requires an ATA carnet, which means a £410 fee plus a bond plus proof of the value of the goods etc etc.

I doubt Mottie has ever heard of an ATA carnet

https://www.ism.org/advice/musicians-guide-to-ata-carnets/

so just to be clear - this is wrong.

 

[MNW67]

so just to be clear - this is wrong.

If you pay the insurance/bond instead can you dispense with all these requirements?