No. The Tories wasted the opportunity. Labour says they won't. We'll see.
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So you want U.K. to suffer Brexit damage forever.
You literally want the U.K. to be worse off
Why are you so negative, don’t you want the U.K. to do well
Please could you explain what opportunity.
What things did the Tories not do that could have done, please can you provide some examples
What they DID do was make Brexit a little easier for a handful of their wealthy chums.
Still waiting for you to provide examples of how Brexit harmed you personally*. Only been asking for 5 years though.
*Excluding the great tomato famine of 2021
Democracy does not just mean you have a vote and that's the end of it. You continue to discuss these issues, and if enough people thinks it turns out it was a stupid idea, you do something about it. If that means having another vote, or just reversing the decision, then that's what you do, as long as its all above board (unlike the 2016 referendum).
To quote an brexiteer: "A democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democracy".
Just because you like the outcome does not mean that everyone else has to. Unless you're afraid of democracy?
Orangina is.
I heard an interview with John Major recently.
AIUI, he is of the opinion that Trump is looking to withdraw 'Murca (once he has subordinated Canada, Mexico, Greenland even) from the world stage.
Part of his "strategy" is to have the European area to be under Pootin's influence, and the rest to be under China's.
Three autocratic and kleptocratic empires.
A strong and united (and democratic) Europe is a significant stick in the spokes of this particular wheel.
I don't disagree with JM's assessment.
We are talking about how Brexit harmed the U.K.
It’s not about 1 person.
Anyway been through how it’s harmed me personally, a number of times…..you lose the argument every time
So, we reverse the decision and people decide they don’t like it, then what - reverse it again, and again….
Why would we need to reverse it again and again? Only if enough people want to revers a decision should it be reversed. If this isn't the case, then it doesn't have to be addressed again.
But we are in a situation where: a. the 2016 was fraught with irregularities, and b. the majority would gladly re-join.
Why are you afraid of democracy?
Hold on though. Whether we like it or not, there's a difference between smaller scale changes for the country e.g. voting a party into government and significant changes like Brexit. These changes take such a long time to bed in, we can't be having further referendums every few years and changing backwards and forwards.
Take Scottish independence for example. I dread to think it will ever come to pass. But if it does, it's such a significant change, it needs to be given a reasonable length of time for the political system, business and electorate to determine if they think it's working.
How long? Not a clue. At least a decade, ideally 15-20 years?
I’m not. Bring it on if that’s what you want but when brexxers triumph again, all the sour losers have to agree to STFU about it and just get on with life.
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I'd agree that 10 to 15 years is a comfortable number.
Reasonable time for the benefits to outweigh the issues, or at least begin to.
Yeah. Not including the 4 years it was held up in 2016 by the whiney losers or a couple of years for covid/lockdown. Oh, and the war in Ukraine and the world recession. All those things have a bearing on its progression. Take those into account and it’s been going for less than a year so far.
Democracy means never doing so I'm afraid. Maybe you aren't aware of the national feeling towards brexit.
