John Charles de Menzies

[transam]

They have been doing a series of progs on the radio over the last few days about this innocent electrician who was shot 5 times in the head

The lies , dirty tactics , misinformation , incompetence , cover up from the met over this caper is / was a total
Disgrace

No body really held to account over the caper apart from a general HSE prosecution

And the real
Kicker imho is after they had killed this bloke they would not even pay to have his body repatriated to Brazil for his funeral

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[Murdochcat]

Well ….. London was on high alert and his unfortunate suspicious actions on the tube had tragic consequences. I suspect the armed Police were told to take no chances.

All comments now are with the benefit of hindsight, so are irrelevant

 

[big-all]

Well ….. London was on high alert and his unfortunate suspicious actions on the tube had tragic consequences. I suspect the armed Police were told to take no chances.

All comments now are with the benefit of hindsight, so are irrelevant

never irrelevant
the information is different so not sure why you think that makes it irrelevant ??
i assume not the best choice off words

 

[Vinty]

Once the police realised that the guy they shot wasn't a terrorist, they should have come clean and admitted that the bloke was completely innocent.

 

[Murdochcat]

never irrelevant
the information is different so not sure why you think that makes it irrelevant ??
i assume not the best choice off words

Passing comments on this now, with the benefit of hindsight makes the opinions of posters irrelevant

 

[big-all]

Passing comments on this now, with the benefit of hindsight makes the opinions of posters irrelevant

very strange comments an opinion is just that an opinion that including yours and mines
some are well-informed some are not but all valid

 

[gas112]

Anyone in doubt about the sheer incompetence and the lying and covering up from the MET afterwards needs to watch the series Suspect on disney just now .
Corrupt from the top down pure and utter lies told for years afterwards . Not all officers but went right through the ranks thankfully some stood up and told the truth
Normal innocent guy going about his normal life .

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[gas112]

Well ….. London was on high alert and his unfortunate suspicious actions on the tube had tragic consequences. I suspect the armed Police were told to take no chances.

All comments now are with the benefit of hindsight, so are irrelevant

what suspicious actions ? are you on about the lies the MET released as part of their cover up ..

 

[transam]

He did nothing suspicious

Plod also claimed they shouted armed police stop as they entered the train

The other 18 people in the carriage at the time heard no such warning before they opened fire

Police notes were altered and and tampered with prior to the enquiry in an attempt to cover up as to what actually happened

 

[gas112]

He did nothing suspicious

Plod also claimed they shouted armed police stop as they entered the train

The other 18 people in the carriage at the time heard no such warning before they opened fire

Police notes were altered and and tampered with prior to the enquiry in an attempt to cover up as to what actually happened

even the 3 surveillance police in the carriage said there was no shout .

OH he is suspicious he has got off the bus crossed road to station and got back on the bus , this is evading tactics

No the feking station was closed with big signs on it so yep getting back on the bus would be pretty normal thing to do

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Wasn't he an illegal immigrant?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Wasn't he an illegal immigrant?

No he wasn't. Nor was he using drug, nor was he a sex offender,nor did he jump the barriers.
It was disgusting smears put about by the MET to diminish their culpability.

Later attempts on the man’s character suggested that he had drugs in his bloodstream, that he was an “illegal” immigrant – both untrue, but even if not so, in no way crimes that would warrant an extrajudicial execution.

In later years, refusing to let rest either the man’s memory nor his family’s peace of mind, the media returned to allege another phoney charge against Jean Charles, this time of sexual assault. But still, it is one of the earliest smears against him that perhaps still carries most resonance of who this man was and wasn’t; the police said, right away, that on entering the station, he “jumped the barrier.” He did no such thing. Jean Charles paid his own way; he was a young man from Brazil for whom the dignity of an honest working life was integral to who he was.

Jean Charles de Menezes: 15 Years On

15 years ago today, Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead at Stockwell station in London. His brutal killing stands as a monument to the tragic consequences of police violence and racism.

tribunemag.co.uk

 

[IT Minion]

Well ….. London was on high alert and his unfortunate suspicious actions on the tube had tragic consequences. I suspect the armed Police were told to take no chances.

All comments now are with the benefit of hindsight, so are irrelevant

That was reported at the time but it was all bullshit.

The suspicious person who jumped the barriers for example? That was on of the officers who shot him.

 

[transam]

Wasn't he an illegal immigrant?

Not sure

But prior to the enquiry false claims of previous sexual assault / rape were made against him

In an attempt to deflect from what had occurred

 

[opps]

That was reported at the time but it was all bullshit.

The suspicious person who jumped the barriers for example? That was on of the officers who shot him.

Indeed. It looked like it was the police who were responsible for the "leak" about him jumping over the paddles/gates.

Even that doesn't make sense. No self respecting fare dodger jumps over them, they do the sideway shuffle to get through them. And when it comes down to it, the Met get free travel on TFL. Did the officers forget their free oyster cards?

They initially said that the poor fellow was wearing a long coat- he had a waist height jean jacket.

The police effed up. They were following the wrong person and executed him.

I appreciate that post 7/7 there was a heightened sense of potential further acts of terrorism, but the fact remains that the met killed an innocent man. And whatever happened to the guy they were supposed to be tracking?