When 'are' we going to get tough on crime?

[diy_fun_uk]

These two pieces of scum kill an OAP and get a sentence of 6 years and 2 years 8 months.

I just can't get my head around it.

Taking this example, let's say they had put the firework into an empty house. Ok, in that scenario the above sentences might make sense. However, even if the perpetrator thinks the house is empty and it's not, and someone's killed, surely they should be locked up for a lot longer? In cases like this, I genuinely think our legal system can indeed be sh1te.

Moment teens lob firework into house that started blaze and killed OAP

Robert Price, 76, had been the victim of a years-long campaign of harassment and criminal damage before he died in the horror fire.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[motorbiking]

I find this equally disturbing.

"The OAP, who had early signs of dementia, had been tormented by local youths to the point where all of his ground floor windows had been boarded up. "

Poor sod, can't even be left alone to enjoy the last few years of memories he has.

You have a 10 year sentence reduced by a 1/3rd for a guilty plea. - he wasn't the one who put the firework in the window.
You have the other kid standing by who wasn't charged?
The adult is in effect - joint enterprise unlawful act killing/manslaughter.

You've also got the challenge of proving they knew someone was in there, proving they intended to do harm.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

You've also got the challenge of proving they knew someone was in there, proving they intended to do harm.

This is the bit that needs changed. If you, even completely unintentionally, cause death by such an act, your sentence should be much longer.

 

[blup]

National service?

 

[motorbiking]

This is the bit that needs changed. If you, even completely unintentionally, cause death by such an act, your sentence should be much longer.

here I disagree, unless I have misunderstood.

Humans make mistakes. Sometimes it results in a death. If the action has criminal intent, then yes I think a 10 year starting position is correct. if there is no criminal intent and just negligence, stupidity, what is the point of prison?

 

[Odds]

here I disagree, unless I have misunderstood.

Humans make mistakes. Sometimes it results in a death. If the action has criminal intent, then yes I think a 10 year starting position is correct. if there is no criminal intent and just negligence, stupidity, what is the point of prison?

Nonsense.

Did you miss the years of harassment suffered by the victim?

The sentence should reflect that.

One year for every year of torment suffered plus another ten for his death.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

here I disagree, unless I have misunderstood.

Humans make mistakes. Sometimes it results in a death. If the action has criminal intent, then yes I think a 10 year starting position is correct. if there is no criminal intent and just negligence, stupidity, what is the point of prison?

Let's say me and you want to relive our youth. We head out one day to have a laugh and cause low level mischief. We pass a disused factory that's lain empty for years. We think it would be a laugh to lob a firework into the building. We both throw one in. Unbeknown to us, a guy has been sleeping off a hangover in there and he dies as a consequence of our firework.

Although we didn't intentionally cause his death, we did cause his death and not through an everyday accidental incident.

We should be locked up for a lot longer than 6 years.

And in the case highlighted, they did know he was in there.

 

[motorbiking]

Nonsense.

Did you miss the years of harassment suffered by the victim?

The sentence should reflect that.

One year for every year of torment suffered plus another ten for his death.

was it them who harassed him?

 

[motorbiking]

Let's say me and you want to relive our youth. We head out one day to have a laugh and cause low level mischief. We pass a disused factory that's lain empty for years. We think it would be a laugh to lob a firework into the building. We both throw one in. Unbeknown to us, a guy has been sleeping off a hangover in there and he dies as a consequence of our firework.

Although we didn't intentionally cause his death, we did cause his death and not through an everyday accidental incident.

We should be locked up for a lot longer than 6 years.

And in the case highlighted, they did know he was in there.

In this example, I lob the firework in and you watch me.
how long should you get?

 

[Ihavenojob]

killing/manslaughter.

Humans make mistakes.

They threatened to "Torch" him. They didn't make a mistake, they murdered him.

 

[motorbiking]

I missed that. I don't see why its not murder then.

There seems to have been a discount for the fact that they are f*cktards.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

In this example, I lob the firework in and you watch me.
how long should you get?

It all depends what can be proved in court. For example you're maybe a follower and me a leader. So I maybe coerced you to throw it, in which case I should get longer, however your sentence should still be significant.

I'm not going to get into ping pong on this. My view is, in many cases, we need longer sentences. However things seem to be going the other way for a number of reasons. And this manslaughter bullsh1t is often exactly that, bullsh1t.

Yes he threw her from a speeding vehicle, however she didn't die for seven days so it's not murder.

 

[blup]

In this example, I lob the firework in and you watch me.
how long should you get?

Plus everyone watching on cctv

 

[blup]

We should be locked up for a lot longer than 6 years.

How much longer? Prison sentences for pretty much everything have been rising for years without any impact on crime. The logical extension of your argument is that a) you have the death penalty for every offence and/or b) you punish people according to what the Daily Fail readership thinks.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Yes he threw her from a speeding vehicle, however she didn't die for seven days so it's not murder.

Didn't it used to be a year and a day? Maybe that was just Hollywood.