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Electric VW so cheap.....why

robinbanks said:
Where was I having a go? I think that might be a your-perception thing ..

But we need to refine what we teach. It's not really reasonable to say "write me 57 pages of everything you know about EVs so I can away what I want from it" because its a huge time commit on the part of the poster. Feel free to ask it to ChatGPT in that way tho; that thing loves talking

Again, I think that's a your-perception thing. I've asked you maybe 10 questions over the course of the thread and I've only just had some answers I can work with now..

In a popular forum where there are many questions, if someone expresses an interest in your query it's generally better to keep them engaged than to start complaining at them.. If there are potentially two ways to perceive their responses and one of them will keep the convo going whereas the other will shut it down, choose to interpret it whichever way suits your end goal better..


It depends I'm afraid. When people look at public charging, they tend to only look at the per kWh price of electricity and of course then public charging looks expensive..

..but you're gonna have to do the sums and really be honest about costs in order to work it out. You're on about buying land form the council which is perhaps a really big cost, buying a charger which is a big cost, swapping electricity tariff which might put your daily use of your cooker up even though your EV is cheap to charge. You're paying tax on a diesel van that you might not on an eVan..

We don't know the numbers to plug into these equations so that "don't BS me just tell me yes or no" mandate isn't a reasonable ask, but while public charging can seem expensive at first, when you consider how much quicker you can keep your van charged (can your chosen van charge at 22kW or more on a bigger-than-you-can-get-domestically charger?) while doing shopping at a shop you visit anyway, versus the cost of buying everything you need to charge at home (including the cost of buying a driveway or a new home with one, and everything else, and maintaining it being on-you) public charging isn't actually as expensive as it first appears
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Now that's fn̈cking long. Give me time to read it. But thank you for taking the time to write so much.
 
Elsa TLC said:
So to my personal circumstances buying one seems a good deal.

I just can't work out why so cheap, if what you say is correct.
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The VW item is not cheap, and it's an exceptionally poor choice for other reasons, one of which is the ridiculously low range of only 82 miles - and that 82 is based on the standard testing which you will not get in the real world.
In actual use it will be around 65 miles in the summer and a lot less in the winter. Less again if any amount of motorway driving is involved.
If you are only driving 30 miles a day or less it might be viable - but then again it's still overpriced and pretty much any other electric van of the same age will be cheaper and better.

Used examples of the Stellantis vans are currently plentiful, and while they are not shining examples of how to build an electric van, they serve the purpose and mostly work as intended.

Whether one of those or any other vehicle is suitable for your requirements is something only you can decide.
 
catlad said:
I was in a customer's house not too long ago, he told me his son-in-law has a newish 4yrs old BMW and it needs a new battery pack costing over 14k BMW are not coughing up!
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I don't think they have a leg to stand on. Unless he's deliberately damaged it, the law is quite clear - 8 year, 100,000 mile battery warranty. In fact, if it's like the electric BMW I drive, they go further than that and the warranty also overs the entire electric drivetrain - motor, inverter, etc.
 
catlad said:
I was in a customer's house not too long ago, he told me his son-in-law has a newish 4yrs old BMW and it needs a new battery pack costing over 14k BMW are not coughing up!
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My friend is in the same situation.
BMW keeps on changing bad modules and within days the milk float is back to the dealer.
They won't replace the entire battery pack but they offered him a new milk float and take his one as part exchange for basically scrap money.
Strangely, they give him an X3 diesel as courtesy car most times and he loves it.
Mug!
 
Im thinking used diesel now. My past 3 vans have been brand new. I wont go that way with diesel as im told they ate not as reliable either.
 
Surely, if you're worried about reliability, going brand new would be better?
 
Avocet said:
Surely, if you're worried about reliability, going brand new would be better?
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I agree but unless you go Nissan or Toyota , the warranty is only 3 years.

The garage that takes care of my 11 year old van say they get alot of newish vans coming in with problems as they are not made as well as the older ones.
 
Elsa TLC said:
I agree but unless you go Nissan or Toyota , the warranty is only 3 years.

The garage that takes care of my 11 year old van say they get alot of newish vans coming in with problems as they are not made as well as the older ones.
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I think that might be more to do with the complexity of modern diesels. The problem is that they're not as good for air quality (though they're better for climate change) as petrol engines. What size of van were you looking for and what sort of payload? (And how far do you typically drive them in any one day)?
 
Take the cheaper end of the BEV market, MG.

There are examples of the MG5 estate and the first Gen MG ZS which have done well over 200K miles, some 300K and are looking in fine fettle.
 
johnny2007 said:
My friend is in the same situation.
BMW keeps on changing bad modules and within days the milk float is back to the dealer.
They won't replace the entire battery pack but they offered him a new milk float and take his one as part exchange for basically scrap money.
Strangely, they give him an X3 diesel as courtesy car most times and he loves it.
Mug!
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Change the record, why don'tcha?

If you have access to a charger and you do medium mileages, a BEV is a great choice. There are fewer parts to go wrong and servicing is cheaper.

As for milk float, you're taking the wee wee. I challenge you to drive a car like ours for a week (an MG4 Trophy LR) and then you can give me a more constructive view of BEVs.

Could you bring yourself to do it?
 
securespark said:
Change the record, why don'tcha?

If you have access to a charger and you do medium mileages, a BEV is a great choice. There are fewer parts to go wrong and servicing is cheaper.

As for milk float, you're taking the wee wee. I challenge you to drive a car like ours for a week (an MG4 Trophy LR) and then you can give me a more constructive view of BEVs.

Could you bring yourself to do it?
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Not really.
I drove a Tesla model 3 and was enough to make my mind up on these milk floats.
 
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