Is there meant to be water sitting here (shower)?

[emmaamme]

Hi, i have a silicone guy coming to reseal my walk in shower tomorrow but noticed there is water sitting in the outside clear vertical channel (not sure what the technical term is). I peeled some of the silicone away (before i took photos) from the outside at the bottom of the plastic strip thinking if the bottom of the strip wasn't sealed the water would drain out however it hasn't.

Is this normal as i thought the water was meant to drain to the inside? Does it mean there's a bigger issue?

Also looking at last 4 photos the aluminium part of the screen attached to the glass doesn't seem to be pushed in to same extent from top to bottom (not sure if that's just because the wall maybe isn't flush?

inside view -

Outside view -

Inside -

Outside -

 

[aveatry]

I may be wrong but I think it is designed so that you do not put silicone at the bottom of the glass, it looks like the tray is slightly raised at the outer edge and and water that gets under the glass is free to drain back into the shower. The silicone there at the moment is blocking the escaped water from draining back.

The frame is screwed to the wall then the glass frame section pushes into that and that gives you adjustment for things not being square. Which is what you are seeing

 

[emmaamme]

I may be wrong but I think it is designed so that you do not put silicone at the bottom of the glass, it looks like the tray is slightly raised at the outer edge and and water that gets under the glass is free to drain back into the shower. The silicone there at the moment is blocking the escaped water from draining back.

The frame is screwed to the wall then the glass frame section pushes into that and that gives you adjustment for things not being square. Which is what you are seeing

Thanks for replying. I thought that with the bottom of the aluminium profile (Photo 1) not being sealed at the bottom internally, the water would still drain back into the shower?

 

[matlob]

I think the seal should only be on the outside of the frame so no water can get trapped too.

 

[emmaamme]

I think the seal should only be on the outside of the frame so no water can get trapped too.

Thank you. Is that the same for the internal vertical joint too (where the aluminium frame meets the wall tile?)

 

[Wilson78]

NEVER EVER Silicone the INSIDE of a Shower cubicle.
Only ever Silicone THE OUTSIDE shower profiles to wall & the shower base to the shower rails.
As soon as you mess around sealing inside, you trap any water, that gets between the profiles & starts to rot away your silicone, causing leaks.
If the inside is NEVER Siliconed, then this lets the water that enters into the shower profiles, drain out into your shower trap.
Thanks
Paul

 

[robinbanks]

rot away your silicone

Silicone rots in water?



There's some rot in your post, but it ain't the silicone

 

[Wilson78]

Silicone rots in water?



There's some rot in your post, but it ain't the silicone

So ive just woke up to your comment.
Sorry, your so polite & accomadating to a fello tradesman of 30 years, that i feel the need to correct this rite now.
I'll edit my comment & instead of my poor English..."Water will ROT Silicone" i'll rephrase it, perhaps to..."The trapped water may cause the silicone to grow mold & maybe the silicone could perrish!"
Would that be ok?
Take me for a idiot?

 

[Wilson78]

Silicone rots in water?



There's some rot in your post, but it ain't the silicone

Surely from my full comment, you might of guessed i do know a little bit?
Anyway have a good day

 

[robinbanks]

Is this normal as i thought the water was meant to drain to the inside?

You're worrying about the ~1cm of water that is present in the bottom of the gasket between the aluminium frame and the glass that the frame clamps?

You don't need to

Does it mean there's a bigger issue?

No

Also looking at last 4 photos the aluminium part of the screen attached to the glass doesn't seem to be pushed in to same extent from top to bottom (not sure if that's just because the wall maybe isn't flush?

The glass mounts are thus deliberately, for exactly the reason you suppose; frequently walls are not plumb and/or trays are not level so there has to be some measure of adjustment/give somewhere. By the rail being two part this can be achieved though you will see the deviation of you look closely. You can't really resolve it any other way short of rebuilding the wall to be plumb or the tray to be square to the wall, which may then affect water flow so you'll have to look past it

Likely you've only noticed now that you're looking very closely because of something else you're wondering about. Don't worry about it

 

[emmaamme]

Thanks everyone for your replies. Been awake since 4.20 worrying about it (natural born worrier unfortunately!). Appreciate the help everyone. I'm assuming if it still happens after the reseal it's not an issue?

 

[Wilson78]

Thanks everyone for your replies. Been awake since 4.20 worrying about it (natural born worrier unfortunately!). Appreciate the help everyone. I'm assuming if it still happens after the reseal it's not an issue?

Ahhh yes, dont worry.
If you have any more worries or questions, you can come straight back here, ok?
This Site imo, has been the best place to come to for accurate information on many construction issues & much more.
Even if "US TRADES!" lol, tend to bicker & poke fun at each other, lol.
Dont let that put you off.
Nice one yeh
Just to add....The 1st picture where there is NO Silicone bead between the Wall Profile & Base!! This is often done because of the reasons already pointed out earlier. So water can freely drain back into the shower base & to the waste.
As i said, you should never silicone a shower cubicle/enclosure internally. Always important to silicone externally & check manufacturers installation instructions.
Theres 1 situation imo where ive sometimes had to silicone internally & this has been along the shower glass panel, if for instance, there is far too much flex or movement, this could be due to poor quality product & poor thickness glass.
See! Its never straight forward is it? lol

 

[emmaamme]

Thank you so much - it's a great community on here. Everyone's so helpful.

 

[robinbanks]

Thanks everyone for your replies. Been awake since 4.20 worrying about it (natural born worrier unfortunately!)

NLP or CBT may help with that. I attended one of my partner's sessions for the same thing and the therapist said "All these worries you carry around with you.. If you could throw them away, what else would you lose? What other benefit does holding onto these worries bring you?"

That stuck with me; worry doesn't really have any positive associated thing that means you have to endure the worry to enjoy the positive..
..but your brain is a computer that runs a habitual program, and long entrenched pathways reinforced by repeated behaviour are difficult to cast of. It is, however, possible to reprogram the brain; to make other pathways more dominant. No one is intrinsically and irreversibly a worrier, born that way and doomed to be that way. Actually no one is born fixed to be any particular trait; it's all reprogrammable. You may be aware that for as long as you remember, you've worried about things. That just means your brain is running a program it acquired early on. If the thing that caused that to start happened later in life it wouldn't necessarily have had the same impact, because it understands much more of the world now compared to then:
A 3 year old gets stung by a wasp, and forever more that person may run the "see wasp, switch to 3 year old, think it's the most searing pain one can experience in life because at the time of the first sting that was true, have disproportionate response".

If the first time you got stung by a wasp was at 30, it would be completely different; it's akin to pricking yourself with a needle, something you may well have done for the first time as an adult (because children don't play with needles) and you'd just brush it off.

I always find it amazing to ponder how the brain comes to run the programs it does, but know that it's entirely flexible/changeable and it doesn't have to do that forever. All it needs is the desire to change it, and a willingness to seek assistance with it if required!

Appreciate the help everyone. I'm assuming if it still happens after the reseal it's not an issue?

No bad will result

 

[emmaamme]

Thank you. Yes it would be nice if the brain had an off switch ha ha