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Honeywell T40 replacement stat suggestions

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Hi, I have had a T40 stat for many years and now want to change it for a digital stat, but not sure which stat to buy.

I only want it to turn on and off the heating, nothing else ( like wireless, timer, app controlled etc), just a plain temperature controller.

Also would like an easy to replace stat, only have 3 wires connected to the T40 now.
1 - Brown
2 - Blue
3 - yellow/green

Any advice or suggestions as to best replacement would be appreciated, thanks
 

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That is naughtly using a bare cpc for a live conductor. They could of at least used neutral!

If you don't want anything fancy, why change it?

Personally I like the fancy ones where you can set different temperatures for different times of the day. A good compromise between comfort and economy. They also reset the temp every transition, so you don't need to worry about them being left high or bother having to turn them down again.

I have used drayton digistat (e.g 2 or 3) models. They can be a pain to program until you get used to them (can take several years).

I am generally against models that run on batteries (though with your cpc being used at live, you may have to)
Generally against internet connected ones and wireless ones.

However I have just fitted a drayton 2290M. It connects to an app on your phone via BT, that allows you to do the programming from the comfort of your chair. Once you have the time and temps setup for one day, you can copy to all days. So much easier than the previous model!
You can also adjust the temp manually from your chair.
 
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EEK!!!
Currently it is wired
Brown (Live) to T1
Blue (Neutral) to T2
Green/Yellow marked wire -> not the earth (cpc) terminal but -> T3 = Switched Live (call for heat to boiler)

So that needs re-sleeving as brown (or red) to indicate it is a switched Live wire!!

The world is your Oyster as you have Live and Neutral at the backplate (so no need for a battery-powered thermostat). Not sure why you want digital if not needing the added features most have of timer temperature setting, and smart apps.
 
ae235.jpgThese are two wire programmable thermostats which will replace the existing, although the one shown I had the instruction book tucked under a corner as could never remember how to set it. The Nest e
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also two wire, and more user-friendly but a lot more expensive.
 
So that needs re-sleeving as brown (or red) to indicate it is a switched Live wire!!
No, it needs to not be used for anything but an earth.
A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a
lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point.
There is no get out. As is, it breaks the rules.
 
OK so the OP had best re-wire his boiler control system at both ends of that cable to have Line, switched Line and CPC. Reducing choice of thermostat.

Or run a replacement 3-core+cpc between the two locations if a neutral is needed for the chosen wired thermostat.

Or go wireless thermostat, disconnecting that cable entirely.
 
That is naughtly using a bare cpc for a live conductor. They could of at least used neutral!

If you don't want anything fancy, why change it?

Personally I like the fancy ones where you can set different temperatures for different times of the day. A good compromise between comfort and economy. They also reset the temp every transition, so you don't need to worry about them being left high or bother having to turn them down again.

I have used drayton digistat (e.g 2 or 3) models. They can be a pain to program until you get used to them (can take several years).

I am generally against models that run on batteries (though with your cpc being used at live, you may have to)
Generally against internet connected ones and wireless ones.

However I have just fitted a drayton 2290M. It connects to an app on your phone via BT, that allows you to do the programming from the comfort of your chair. Once you have the time and temps setup for one day, you can copy to all days. So much easier than the previous model!
You can also adjust the temp manually from your chair.
The system was installed when I moved in, was not aware the bare CPC was being used for the live, thanks for the info. Will have to rewire the unit and boiler for new stat.

Want a new stat as I know it does not always switch on when it gets cold, until its really cold even if I turn it up a bit, so new one needed and I read that a digital stat is more accurate and efficient than this T40
 
EEK!!!
Currently it is wired
Brown (Live) to T1
Blue (Neutral) to T2
Green/Yellow marked wire -> not the earth (cpc) terminal but -> T3 = Switched Live (call for heat to boiler)

So that needs re-sleeving as brown (or red) to indicate it is a switched Live wire!!

The world is your Oyster as you have Live and Neutral at the backplate (so no need for a battery-powered thermostat). Not sure why you want digital if not needing the added features most have of timer temperature setting, and smart apps.
Thanks for info, was not aware of the T3 terminal connection being switched live, will need to rewire.

Can you suggest any Honeywell stat as replacement?
 
I read that a digital stat is more accurate and efficient than this T40
The thermostat you have is digital, i.e. on/off, the analogue thermostat is seen as being much better, i.e. it turns the boiler up/down. However, the simplest analogue thermostat has no wires and is called a thermostatic radiator valve (TRV) so we start to look at the complete system, and also your final aim at an upgrade, even if 5 years away.

To start with, there are two completely different types of boiler. There is the modulating boiler, which can turn its output up and down, and the on/off boiler. The main reason for the modulating boiler is to use the latent heat from the flue gases, and to do this the return water needs to be cool. So with a modulating boiler the less it is turned off, then back on again the better.

The idea is, each TRV controls the room it is in, and as each TRV closes the pressure differential increases until the bypass opens, this allows warmer return water which causes the boiler to turn down, so the boiler does not in mid-winter even turn off, just up and down.

But Autumn and Spring the boiler can't turn down enough, and unless there is some on/off device it will keep turning off and on, so we look at some way to integrate the on/off thermostat with the TRV.

Theory is we put the on/off thermostat in a room downstairs (as heat raises) which is normally kept cool, so on prospective warm days it will not fire the boiler, with no outside doors, or alternative heating including warming with sun through windows, and not have a TRV in that room.

However, often such a room does not exist, so we need a compromise, for example fit it in the hall, and also have a TRV, so if for example the TRV is set at 17°C and the wall thermostat at 18.5°C since higher it will be warmer, and what should happen is when hall door opened, the TRV opens, and so reheats the hall, but before it gets warm enough to trigger the wall thermostat is closing again, so wall thermostat is only triggered on warm days, and often a large slewing temperature difference is good rather than bad.

Slewing temperature difference is the difference between switching on and off. But setting the TRV and wall thermostat to work together is not easy, and is not helped by marking the TRV head *123456. Although the electronic head is better, 61dmtMm13BL.jpg with degrees C marked, and open window detection so after opening the hall door it waits a set time before opening and re-heating the room, it is maybe too accurate. A mechanical head, set at around 2¼ will likely start to close at 17°C but not fully close until 20°C so a wall thermostat will switch the boiler off set at 19°C on warm days.

But in the rest of the house, the electronic TRV can work far better, I have 5 of the ones shown, cost me £15 each in 2019 before Brexit, but now have gone up in price. The blue tooth only seems to work with one device, so either my wife or me has control not both, but the main reason for blue tooth is where two are in the same room, you can pair them together.

Wi-Fi versions have come down in price, I have one Kasa fitted, and three Energenie, these are not linked to the boiler, but show both target and current temperature so make setting the lock shield valve a lot easier, if current exceeds target then open too much. These need a hub, but I have not got them linked to the boiler.

The Drayton Wiser however does connect to boiler, only got one TRV or that type, slight problem with radiators on outside walls, as they can trigger the boiler too early, but only a slight problem.

Theory you don't need a wall thermostat, you can use the linked TRV heads, but would be rather costly. But I have ended up with three hubs, two connected to boiler, (Nest and Wiser) mainly as I thought Nest would link to TRV heads, and it would not, but this is why I say consider what you want in 5 years time, so you don't buy something which latter will not work.
 
If not the cheeky plumbers or gas safe engineers did it, then probably bizarrely slow the thermostat was acting, just how they do when no neutral is there for the inbuilt heater, so maybe someone noticing came over and shifted the earth wire to where the switched live was, and the blue, which was switched line, went to neutral instead, same thing done at the boiler’s end.
 

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