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[johnny2007]

If it's a name that's common in Britain then it's a common British name.

If you mean traditional then say so.

You are talking about "common" names.
The rest of us are talking about typical names.
As usual you're trying to turn tables as a typical leftist loser.

 

[morqthana]

There were no Mohammeds and Sajids in Britain at one time.

Indeed there were not. But then at one time there were no Ernests, Fredericks, etc either. 1000 years ago names like Ælfweard ajnd Ælfþryð were common. King Æðelræd II's wife was Ælfgifu.

Things change. No matter how much you may dislike it, and no matter how much you try to stop change by kicking against it, change will take absolutely no notice of you whatsoever.

There were Ernests, Fredericks, Johns, Alfreds and all the biblical names like Luke, Matthew, Thomas, John, even Ezekiel and Ebenezer. But no Mohammeds... that name is distinctly foreign.

"Foreign", eh?


Ernest - Derived from Old High German ernust meaning "serious, earnest". It was introduced to England by the German House of Hanover when they inherited the British throne in the 18th century, though it did not become common until the following century

Frederick - English form of an Old German name meaning "peaceful ruler", derived from fridu "peace" and rih "ruler, king". The Normans brought the name to England in the 11th century but it quickly died out. It was reintroduced by the German House of Hanover when they inherited the British throne in the 18th century.

John - English form of Iohannes, the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰωάννης (Ioannes), itself derived from the Hebrew name יוֹחָנָן (Yoḥanan). This name was initially more common among Eastern Christians in the Byzantine Empire, but it flourished in Western Europe after the First Crusade.

Alfred - Means "elf counsel", derived from the Old English name Ælfræd, composed of the elements ælf "elf" and ræd "counsel, advice".

And as we all know, Old English, and its names developed from the languages brought to Great Britain by Anglo-Saxon immigrants in the mid-5th century.

Luke - English form of Latin Lucas, from the Greek name Λουκᾶς (Loukas), probably a shortened form of Λουκανός (Loukanos) meaning "from Lucania", a region in southern Italy. The name became common in the Christian world (in various spellings). As an English name, Luke has been in use since the 12th century alongside the Latin form Lucas.

Matthew - English form of Ματθαῖος (Matthaios), which is the New Testament Greek form of Mattithiah.

Thomas - Greek form of the Aramaic name תְּאוֹמָא (Teʾoma) meaning "twin". In England the name was used by the Normans. (The Normans were invaders, in case you'd forgotten).

Ezekiel - From the Hebrew name יְחֶזְקֵאל (Yeḥezqel) meaning "God will strengthen", from the roots חָזַק (ḥazaq) meaning "to strengthen" and אֵל (ʾel) meaning "God".

Ebenezer - From the name of a monument erected by Samuel in the Old Testament, from Hebrew אֶבֶן הָעָזֶר (ʾEven Haʿazer) meaning "stone of help". Charles Dickens used it for the miserly character Ebenezer Scrooge in his novel A Christmas Carol (1843). Currently the name is most common in parts of English-influenced Africa, such as Ghana.

So which of the names in your list did not start out being "foreign"?

 

[Notch7]

How do you know?
Saying that Sajid or Abdul are not typical British names amounts to being a Muslim hater now?

I know because the Muslim haters were straight out of the blocks:

all these are implying Muslims: (they will all deny it of course)

 

[Notch7]

This is not a terribly traditional British name:

Samir Zitouni


I bet the Muslim haters on here would like to deport a person with a name like that

 

[Deleted member 325366]

You are talking about "common" names.
The rest of us are talking about typical names.
As usual you're trying to turn tables as a typical leftist loser.

A few of his posts indicate he can’t follow the conversation.

 

[johnny2007]

I know because the Muslim haters were straight out of the blocks:

all these are implying Muslims: (they will all deny it of course)

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Ok, so your post had nothing to do with British names.

This is not a terribly traditional British name:

Samir Zitouni


I bet the Muslim haters on here would like to deport a person with a name like that

No, unless he's a leech sucking blood from taxpayers.
If he's a hardworking honest person, by all means I and most of British people will wish him the best of luck.
If he's here just to be a burden on society as well as commit crime, I want to see him deported (assuming he doesn't hold a British passport).
Same as if his name was John Smith.

 

[Koolpc]

Any Arab name is not a British name. Just like Andrew is not a Saudi name.

 

[aveatry]

I know because the Muslim haters were straight out of the blocks:

all these are implying Muslims: (they will all deny it of course)

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Bust1t --- my post that you have finally quoted in full says NOTHING about Muslims. You are just the forums vile sh1t stirrer

 

[diy_fun_uk]

When you stop and think about it, it's more than a shame.

What am I referring to?

Not liking groups of people based on a common factor e.g. their names, their culture, their race, the football team they support, the political party they support.

If people actually spent time with the 'other group' of people, I suspect it would be true that most of the time they'd come away from the experience thinking 'actually, they're perfectly nice people.'

We get caught up in this anger storm of differences, much of it perpetuated by politicians and those who spout very questionable stuff whether from a left or right perspective.

 

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Nasty ad hom post Deleted. Thread bar

 

[Notch7]

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Bust1t --- my post that you have finally quoted in full says NOTHING about Muslims. You are just the forums vile sh1t stirrer

it is implied

 

[aveatry]

it is implied

BS- its not. That bit is in your obsessed head.
So you saying that all the boaters and lorry travellers are Muslim then.

 

[morqthana]

If Paul Smith took up Spanish, French or Italian residency, would Paul Smith sound like a typical Spanish, French or Italian name?

Residency is not the same as citizenship, or becoming a Spanish national.

As for "typical", a name does not have to be commonplace for it to be a name. If a name is of a Spanish national how can it not be a Spanish name?

40-50 years ago Sarah (another Hebrew name BTW) was the most popular girl's name here. It's now languishing down at position 95-97 in the charts. Is there a rule for how atypical a name has to become for it to be no longer considered "British"?

Jacob Rees-Mogg has named one of his children "Sixtus", which is probably the Latin form of the Greek name Ξύστος (Xystos). It's been the name of 5 Popes, none of whom were British, and the most recent was towards the end of the 16th century. Doesn't appear in any statistics for names in the UK.

So is it foreign? Does it sound "British"? The child was born in Britain, as were both of his parents, so I assume he's regarded as "British", but what about his name? Is it a British one?

"Jacob", by the way, is from the Latin Iacob, which was from the Greek Ἰακώβ (Iakob), which was from the Hebrew name יַעֲקֹב (Yaʿaqov).

Currently 30th most popular, more popular than Edward, or Tommy, or James, but in England, it was mainly regarded as a Jewish name during the Middle Ages. A period where Jews were widely regarded as foreigners.

So I guess Jacob stopped being a "foreign" name at some point.

Because things change.

 

[Elsa TLC]

If it's a name that's common in Britain then it's a common British name.

If you mean traditional then say so.

Talk rubbish.

Like saying John is a common Spanish name as there are a good few Johns living in Spain..

When you stop and think about it, it's more than a shame.

What am I referring to?

Not liking groups of people based on a common factor e.g. their names, their culture, their race, the football team they support, the political party they support.

If people actually spent time with the 'other group' of people, I suspect it would be true that most of the time they'd come away from the experience thinking 'actually, they're perfectly nice people.'

We get caught up in this anger storm of differences, much of it perpetuated by politicians and those who spout very questionable stuff whether from a left or right perspective.

Your so right. I love having conversations with people from a different background. And its true we have so much in common with out likes, our dislikes and our loves.

 

[Elsa TLC]

Currently 30th most popular, more popular than Edward, or Tommy, or James, but in England, it was mainly regarded as a Jewish name during the Middle Ages. A period where Jews were widely regarded as foreigners.

Your very true. However you need to give Mohamed more time to move that mountain.