Surely you're old enough to understand it doesn't pay to get upset and troll every time you get bested...
After all it happens all the time, so you should have got used to it by now
ICE told to get the eff out
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After all it happens all the time, so you should have got used to it by now
This is what I asked Google:
'is the law of joint enterprise better developed in the uk or the us'
AI Overview
The law of joint enterprise is more
conceptually developed and refined by the Supreme Court in the UK, particularly since the landmark R v Jogee [2016] ruling, which corrected decades of misinterpretation. In contrast, the US approach, while often broader and stricter, is heavily fragmented across states and federal jurisdictions, primarily utilizing doctrines like accomplice liability, conspiracy, and felony murder.
Key Comparisons in Development:
- UK (Refined Common Law): Following R v Jogee, the UK Supreme Court established that a secondary party must have the intent to assist or encourage a crime, rather than mere foresight of what the principal might do. This corrected a "wrong turn" taken 30 years prior. While this is a more legally precise standard, in practice, the application remains highly criticized for continued, disproportionate use against young Black men.
- US (Broad & Punitive): The US frequently uses joint enterprise concepts to heavily penalize gang-related crimes, often capturing individuals who did not personally commit the murder (e.g., being in a car during a drive-by shooting). US accomplice liability can hold individuals liable for foreseeable crimes committed by a partner, similar to the pre-2016 UK standard.
- Issues in Development: Both systems face severe criticism regarding fairness. The UK Supreme Court ruling in 2016 has had, according to some studies, "no discernible impact" on reducing the number of convictions or correcting racial disparities in multi-defendant homicide cases.
- Scope: The US approach (such as felony murder rules) can often be more punitive, allowing for murder convictions even when there was no intent to kill, provided a felony was being committed.
The UK has a better-developed, more precise, and recently corrected legal doctrine (aiming for intent over foresight), whereas the US has a more widely applied and punitive practical application (using broad conspiracy and felony murder doctrines).
Taking it a bit further, I asked:
'does abetting a crime require intention or recklessness US'
AI Overview
In the United States, aiding and abetting a crime generally requires
specific intent—meaning the accused acted with the purpose of facilitating the commission of the crime. While recklessness might suffice for certain lower-level, specific statutes or in other jurisdictions, federal law requires that the defendant purposefully associated with the criminal venture and sought by their actions to make it succeed.
Here is a breakdown of the mental state required:
- Specific Intent/Purposefulness: The defendant must knowingly and intentionally aid, counsel, command, or encourage the principal offender. They must share the criminal intent of the principal and have a "purposive attitude" to help the crime succeed.
- Knowledge: The defendant must have knowledge of the perpetrator’s unlawful purpose.
- "Wilful Blindness" is Sufficient: If a person deliberately avoids learning the truth, "willful blindness" can be treated as knowledge.
- Recklessness is Generally Not Enough: Simply acting recklessly or being negligent in a way that happens to help a criminal is typically not enough for an aiding and abetting conviction, which requires a more active, intentional, and purposeful participation.
To secure a conviction, the government must prove:
- Intent: The accused had the specific intent to facilitate the crime.
- Participation: The accused assisted or participated in the crime in some meaningful way.
- Principal Crime: Someone else actually committed the underlying offense.
- Aiding and Abetting: Requires intent and brings the same penalties as the principal crime.
- Accessory After the Fact: A separate charge for helping someone after the crime has already been committed to avoid apprehension.
As a starting point for the discussion, this is a similar conversation on Reddit:
' "Drive, baby, drive" qualifies as a conspiracy to induce/encourage her partner to disobey the lawful order to exit the car given by the officer.'
The reply:
'You need these elements to prove conspiracy:
You could argue it's aiding and abetting, but you'd have to prove that the passenger's intent was for the driver to commit a crime rather than just be a reflexive statement made in panic, and you'd have to prove that the driver decided to act because of that encouragement. There's no way you'd get a conviction here.'
' "Drive, baby, drive" qualifies as a conspiracy to induce/encourage her partner to disobey the lawful order to exit the car given by the officer.'
The reply:
'You need these elements to prove conspiracy:
- There has to be an agreement between members of the conspiracy (shared planning).
- The agreement has to be understood to be the commission of a crime.
- The person has to take an action in furtherance of the conspiracy (the agreement is not by itself an action in furtherance).
- At least one person in the conspiracy has to have committed the crime.
You could argue it's aiding and abetting, but you'd have to prove that the passenger's intent was for the driver to commit a crime rather than just be a reflexive statement made in panic, and you'd have to prove that the driver decided to act because of that encouragement. There's no way you'd get a conviction here.'
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What about endangering an animal. That dog deserves better
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@MNW67
You asked AI rather different questions and it has not linked any context. You are going to get muddled.
Start with the assumption that their actions collectively amounted to an offence. Obstruction of Justice. The survivor has equal liability. So there is an offence to prosecute
Next you question if the actions of becca encouraging Nicole to flee, further amounted to obstruction of justice or perhaps with a big stretch accessory after the fact.
That’s enough for a willing prosecutor to explore an offence.
It all seems a bit mean to me. I would not expect this to pass any public interest test.
You asked AI rather different questions and it has not linked any context. You are going to get muddled.
Start with the assumption that their actions collectively amounted to an offence. Obstruction of Justice. The survivor has equal liability. So there is an offence to prosecute
Next you question if the actions of becca encouraging Nicole to flee, further amounted to obstruction of justice or perhaps with a big stretch accessory after the fact.
That’s enough for a willing prosecutor to explore an offence.
It all seems a bit mean to me. I would not expect this to pass any public interest test.
AI Overview
Obstruction of justice in the U.S. involves any intentional act to interfere with legal proceedings, such as destroying evidence, intimidating witnesses, lying to officials, or bribing government figures, to impede investigations or court processes
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A bit more googling and you will realise it’s much broader.
You need to be more specific. Are you talking about, for example, conspiracy.
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Is it not clear that we are talking about the broad offence of obstruction of justice?
Ask your AI. “obstruction of justice us law”. It will give you a lot of detail.
Ask your AI. “obstruction of justice us law”. It will give you a lot of detail.
It is hilarious that you pretend to know all this stuff.
No, it isn't. It is all about hindering criminal investigations and other government proceedings.
That is exactly what I did before. This is the answer:
AI Overview
Obstruction of justice in U.S. law involves illegally interfering with the administration of justice, covering various acts like destroying evidence, bribing witnesses, lying to investigators, or intimidating jurors, with federal laws (like
18 U.S.C. § 1503 and § 1512) criminalizing these actions that obstruct proceedings, investigations, or court officials. Prosecution requires proving the defendant acted with specific intent to impede the justice system, not accidentally.
What Constitutes Obstruction?
It's a broad crime encompassing many actions, including:
- Tampering: Influencing, intimidating, or impeding jurors, witnesses, or court officials through threats or force.
- Evidence Tampering: Destroying, altering, or concealing documents or physical evidence relevant to an investigation or proceeding, such as shredding subpoenaed papers.
- False Statements: Lying to law enforcement or investigators.
- Interfering with Proceedings: Disrupting court hearings, grand jury proceedings, or official investigations.
For a conviction, the government generally must prove the defendant:
- Knew of an ongoing judicial or official proceeding (like an investigation or trial).
- Acted corruptly or with intent to obstruct, influence, or impede that proceeding or its participants.
Key federal laws include:
- 18 U.S.C. § 1503 (Omnibus Clause): Broadly prohibits influencing or impeding the due administration of justice in federal courts.
- 18 U.S.C. § 1512 (Tampering with a Witness, Victim, or Informant): Addresses interfering with witnesses or informants.
- 18 U.S.C. § 1519: Specifically targets destroying or altering records to obstruct federal investigations or bankruptcy proceedings.
Obstruction of justice is a serious felony, leading to significant prison time, fines, and lasting damage to one's career and reputation
Now I've posted that answer, please tell us how any of it applies to Renee and Becca.
Because I understand the law, I asked precisely the right questions. When you just make stuff up, you end up with nonsense like 'obstruction of justice' and 'reasonable suspicion of attempting to impede'.
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You have no clue and have shown you have no clue.
then you just get upset, when your ego is dented.
