ICE told to get the eff out

[Odds]

That is how you slip into accepting a police state.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

 

[noseall]

You missed the earlier scuffle then? Sh*t was definitely brewing

Scuffle is conveniently ambiguous. You mean when the thug started shoving or when the thug sprayed his face?

 

[motorbiking]

Scuffle implies it went both ways. The officer took offence at being videoed and started violently pushing the observers who passively accepted and didn't push back.

NY Times have done an updated frame by frame analysis. If they are correct, the accidental discharge theory is wrong. They say the first shot was a shot in the back from the agent in green at the exact moment below. They reckon you can see his arm recoil.

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Scuffle is conveniently ambiguous. You mean when the thug started shoving or when the thug sprayed his face?

No he resisted being pushed back.

I can’t see the point of pretending he was more innocent than he was. You have to be objective and see that he was getting in the way, that he took a loaded weapon to the location, argued with ICE etc. May or may not have been carrying ID (a requirement for lawful concealed carry). Of course I do not change my view that there is a good case for excessive force.

 

[MNW67]

No he resisted being pushed back.

I can’t see the point of pretending he was more innocent than he was. You have to be objective and see that he was getting in the way, that he took a loaded weapon to the location, argued with ICE etc. May or may not have been carrying ID (a requirement for lawful concealed carry). Of course I do not change my view that there is a good case for excessive force.

He didn't resist. He let the agent push him in the chest and was completely passive, letting himself be pushed back about twenty feet. The only time he interfered was later on, in order to try to help a woman who had been shoved to the floor.

He didn't get in the way. He was filming from a distance and the officer approached him and started to shove him.

 

[fillyboy]

No he resisted being pushed back.

I can’t see the point of pretending he was more innocent than he was. You have to be objective and see that he was getting in the way, that he took a loaded weapon to the location, argued with ICE etc. May or may not have been carrying ID (a requirement for lawful concealed carry). Of course I do not change my view that there is a good case for excessive force.

I read that if he wasn't carrying identification and a permit, his 'lawful carry' becomes 'unlawful', however there seems to be mixed stories about the ID with some reports saying he didn't have 'accessible ID' which is a little ambiguous.
Other opinions out there are that by violently resisting arrest, the 'lawful carry' again becomes 'unlawful'.

 

[noseall]

No he resisted being pushed back.

Eh? Do you know any human being on the planet that simply falls backwards when they are pushed.

 

[MNW67]

I read that if he wasn't carrying identification and a permit, his 'lawful carry' becomes 'unlawful', however there seems to be mixed stories about the ID with some reports saying he didn't have 'accessible ID' which is a little ambiguous.
Other opinions out there are that by violently resisting arrest, the 'lawful carry' again becomes 'unlawful'.

It is not ambiguous. It is meaningless nonsense. They are admitting that he had ID. It has turned out that everything DHS and ICE said was a lie. Even the White House are now refusing to repeat any of those lies.

 

[motorbiking]

Eh? Do you know any human being on the planet that simply falls backwards when they are pushed.

Glad to see he walked away and continued to observe from a safe distance…. Oh wait.

 

[noseall]

Even the White House are now refusing to repeat any of those lies.

What, even top bull$hítter Don?

 

[motorbiking]

It is not ambiguous. It is meaningless nonsense. They are admitting that he had ID. It has turned out that everything DHS and ICE said was a lie. Even the White House are now refusing to repeat any of those lies.

We do not know if he was compliant. It’s that simple.

 

[noseall]

Glad to see he walked away and continued to observe from a safe distance

Safe distance from what or to where? It was a public street.

 

[MNW67]

We do not know if he was compliant. It’s that simple.

About five minutes before the shooting, there is that incident you mention, where he passively accepts being pushed in the chest.

Then just before the shooting incident, we see him filming from a distance. He only comes over to help a woman who has been violently shoved to the floor. Trying to help that woman seems to have been his only mistake. A certain type of man doesn't like that sort of thing.

 

[Brigadier]

I read that if he wasn't carrying identification and a permit, his 'lawful carry' becomes 'unlawful', however there seems to be mixed stories about the ID with some reports saying he didn't have 'accessible ID' which is a little ambiguous.
Other opinions out there are that by violently resisting arrest, the 'lawful carry' again becomes 'unlawful'.

Victim blaming.

 

[fillyboy]

It is not ambiguous. It is meaningless nonsense. They are admitting that he had ID. It has turned out that everything DHS and ICE said was a lie. Even the White House are now refusing to repeat any of those lies.

https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/pretti-permit-photo-id-7475ab

 

[fillyboy]

Victim blaming.

Not at all, he shouldn't have been shot in my opinion, it was entirely avoidable.